Let nothing disturb you,
Let nothing frighten you,
All things pass away:
God never changes.
Patience obtains all things.
He who has God
Finds he lacks nothing;
God alone suffices. — Saint Teresa of Avila
“God does not call us to be successful. He calls us to be faithful.” — Blessed Mother Teresa.
For the last month I have been preparing myself for a Sen. Obama win. I am by nature a pessimistic-optimist. I am though much more calm than I expected I would be in the aftermath of President-Elect Obama. It is much easier to remember today that my trust is in Jesus. Though I am also in mourning for the unborn who will die as a result of an Obama Presidency. They will never get to vote in an election, much less get healthcare or participate in the economy. The economy goes up and down. Dead babies stay dead.
Maybe we need to pray for the health of Supreme Court members so that they stay healthy another four years and have no desire to retire. Yeah I am only saying this jokingly, but no doubt some will retire and have a replacement named by a President Obama and another generation of children will be killed with the permission of the court. One thing you can say about Democrats is that they never pick a nominee that “grows” in office – they are reliably strict deconstructionists who will find a foreign law that matches their biases or grab a penumbra in a pinch.
Being thankful for little things the Democratic Senate does not have 60 seats so I hope this will keep the misnamed Freedom of Choice Act from being able to be signed into law. At least I hope that it is not able to be passed. Unfortunately the Mexico City policy will be history in an Obama administration. Plus I can only imagine the type of people that will be sent to represent us in the U.N. Say hello to CEDAW and the United Nations efforts to make abortion a universal “right.” Plus President Bush’s restrictions on Federal funding of embryonic stem-cells will be gone and surely the taxpayers will be funding destructive embryonic research regardless of the progress of ethical sources of stem-cells. Federal money will be used for cloning research and yet more embryos will die at the hands of scientists killing in order to preserve life.
This is the affirmative action presidency. Affirmative action is notorious for placing skin color above qualification and the electorate decided accordingly. There was hardly a dimes worth of difference between any of the Democratic presidential wannabees other than varying levels of experience. Obama’s main qualification was that his father was from Kenya and he was capable with a teleprompter. Though once he became the nominee he had a cascade of forces historically helpful for a Democrat to take the office this time around.
Though at least now we know how many racists there are in the United States. Those 56,280,668+ that voted for Sen. McCain are obvious racists for not voting for “The One.” And just because you might have voted for Alan Keyes – well you’re racist too for not voting for Obama. The idea that the election of Sen. Obama is going to heal race relations I think is laughable. The media will frame every opposition to a President Obama’s policies as racially tinged just as they did during the election.
As far as the media goes I don’t know which I liked worse. The media that use to pretend to have some objectivity or the one that simply became campaign operatives. Media bias is nothing new and selective reporting has been with us for quite a time. The editing of the Palin interview to make her look worse and the L.A. Times withholding of a video tape are just some of the egregious examples this time around. The media can determine what the Palin family ate the night before by inspecting their garbage can, but could find nothing worthy to investigate on Sen. Obama. Gee remember the media trying to pin cocaine use on President Bush, yet Obama’s biographies detailing drug use get a yawn. I hear that the Main Stream Media is going to be elevated to a cabinet position by President Obama because of the good work they did for him. No longer will dissent be patriotic as the media said during the Bush years.
Now we will also have a culture of death Catholic Vice President who will be putting the vice into Vice President with his support of many forms of abortion. I bet the media can hardly wait to snap a picture of him receiving Communion to gloat. The USCCB meets soon to discuss “practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion.” Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not, but I would love to be wrong.
I hear that Sen. Obama will be FedExing 30 pieces of silver to Doug Kmiec. Moloch is quite happy with all of the Catholics that voted for Sen. Obama. According to Catholic Culture “Among Catholic voters who attend Mass weekly, McCain won majority support: 54- 45%. Among those who do not attend weekly Mass, the margin for Obama was an overwhelming 61- 37%. Thus Obama drew his support from inactive Catholics.” So 45 percent of Mass going Catholics supported the most extreme supporter of abortion ever in a Presidential race. The unborn chopped up via scalpels will be glad to hear about hope and change.
I also hear that Gov. Palin will be stepping down so that she can get some experience by becoming a community organizer.
I find it strange that all of the pro-life measures lost and that all of the anti-same-sex marriage measures won. Somehow their is still some idea of what marriage means, but the preciousness of life is another story. Washington State now has doctor assisted suicide like Oregon. So all we need to do is have California join in and we can call it the Kevorkian Coast or simply the Death Coast. In Michigan voters approved ESCR (supported by a Catholic Governor Jennifer Granholm). Modern liberalism means more dead people. If you don’t get them at the beginning of life you can always catch them when they get old or sick. The endless pursuit to make the distance from cradle to grave to be zero. Modern feminism says “Give me liberty and give them death”
Oh and by the way thanks a lot Jack Ryan (the Senator and not Tom Clancy character) whose divorce papers led to him withdrawing and giving us a Senator Obama in the first place. What a maroon.
But like many American I will be praying for a President Obama. May his campaign promises be typical campaign promises that never come into fruition. I pray that he realizes the definition of life is not “beyond his paygrade” and the the protection of life and liberty includes those who have been conceived. That he will realize his mother choose life in a situation that so commonly leads to abortion. The law is a teacher and as long as abortion is legal there will be many abortions but as this story works out we can still work to save lives on a personal level.
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But there is an upside: Barack Obama has promised to eliminate poverty and put an end to war. At least we’ll have that.
I hear that Sen. Obama will be FedExing 30 pieces of silver to Doug Kmiec.
30 pieces of silver? That’s chump change. I hear he’s going to be getting Wales.
Ya know, this isn’t really very funny, and to hear that God will prevail and all that, it doesn’t really get anything done aroung here. No effect on the state of life, and yes things are going from bad to worse. God’s not moving any mountains and we’re not even thinking about it. Life is now death, God should pull the plug
I gotta say I’m feeling a little low about the abortion issue as well. Not sure where we go from here. Keep praying. We were never told this was going to be easy.
I wonder if he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act? If so, that would be an unbelievable piece of irony: a black president supporting a law that allows for so many black children to be killed.
Well, we’ll see. Things are moving in the right direction in the Church. We only just got more straight with ourselves, what with the Pope visiting, his setting his priests straight on numerous issues, allowing for more orthodox celebrations (not my favorite but I know many like them), and owning up to the sexual abuse thing. Perhaps most important is the renaissance happening in the Church; the push to have more religious and priests, the more vocal Bishops, the not-relenting on abortion. We are sowing the seeds to continue the fight. This is a valley.
Thanks for this site.
“The USCCB meets soon to discuss “practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion.” Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not…”
Unless… WE square off the USCCB.
How? Repeating: “Is not possible to serve two Lords…” We must study the defeat in Colorado of the abortion ban, BECAUSE THE USCCB INCOMPETENT CATHECHESIS, lighting this scientific fact-open-market:
WOMBS FOR RENT (Charity: call a spade, spade, JP II).
Case in point: if one of the less confused in the Gospel of Life (JP II), but obsessed in demeaning himself putting as an equal to “a don nadie” (nobody) little-professor Kmiec (elevated by most Catholic media???), and afraid to ruffle politicians feathers as Abp. Cheput…
Well, just focus: he calls formal-direct abortion lawmakers Biden: “distinguished career in public service”, and Pelosi a: “fine public servant”, instead of cold blooded murderers…
Corolary? The real battle is to be expected from us, lay Roman Catholics.
Regards
I prayed hard. I am still going to pray. The lives of the unborn are not out of God’s reach. We just have to lift them up in prayer. Daily. Until Roe Vs. Wade is overturned. Even after (there will still be illegal abortions). We are discouraged by the Obama win, but we can’t give up. We can pray. We can write our congressmen and senators. We can keep on remembering that when we stand before God, we don’t want Him to see the blood of the unborn on our hands…
“Life is now death, God should pull the plug.”
Eric: Despair is the unforgivable sin. Just FYI.
Let us pray for his conversion.
Guillermo Bustamante said:
“The USCCB meets soon to discuss “practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion.” Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not…”
AUTUMN
BLOOD
Fall fall
Fall the leaves
As the blood-red Autumn
Sighs and grieves
For in the gentle
Blood-fed womb
Leaves are crushed
An Autumn tomb
“And the Word made Flesh”
For “excommunication”
But flesh wouldn’t say…
So exoneration.
Nor did the flesh demand
Or articulate
Only “morally-bankrupt”
Not “excommunicate!”
So fall fall
Fall the leaves
The blood-red Autumn
Sighs and grieves
In the land of the blind
One-eyed man’s king
But on his head
Autumn blood will cling!
Listen folks, I’m not pleased with the outcome but it is not the end of the world as we know it. Maybe we focus our attention from making abortion illegal (made a moot point thanks to FOCA) and rally our time and resources to make abortion a legal choice that no one chooses ort feels compelled to choose…the real battle now will be for the minds and hearts of the country…to rally with the pro-life movement out there emphasizing the beauty and dignity of life (Vitae-Caring foundation for example), do a better job getting out the message of what we already have in place to provide for women facing unplanned preganancies (Birthrite for example), do a better job getting out the message of healing for women who suffer the effects of an abortion (Project Rachel for example). If the other side shifts the battle field in an attempt to rout us we can’t simply walk away dispondent. And if we don’t flood DC on ther Pro-Life march in January and flood the airwaves with a pro-life message of healing, hope, and help…then we let the pro-death win the day. Licking our wounds and weeping our loss will not suffice…redouble the efforts and rally the troops!!! WE might lose a battle here and there…but we know who wins the war. So let’s marshall our rescources and fight this war as if we are already winning. The unborn are counting on our prayer, strength, courage, and action to change the minds and hearts of the people of this country…whether abortion be legal or not. Let’s move beyiond making abortion illegal…let’s make it obsolete! By the grace of God this can and must be done.
to Gail F.
Despair? How about acknowledging reality?
I think you missed the point here, forget the fact that Catholic who did not attend mass voted for the baby killer, pro gay marriage, on and on-candidate 61-37%, you fail to acknowledge that those Catholics who do go to mass only voted for McCain by a 54-45% margin! Do you know how many first Hillary and now Obama stickers are in the church parking lots! I never saw a McCain sticker ever
Then you go to blogs like Mark Shea who bashed Bush over and over for years over all things torture of some Gitmo prisoners and told all of his readers that they should either not vote or vote for a 3rd party candidate. Gee, may as well throw your vote away and let this Baby killer walk on in which he did. And this Mr Shea writes on all other Catholic blogs, asks for donations on his blogs, gives speeches for $$, and so this is what we get from those who are supposedly teaching the Catholic youth and old for that matter
So we are all one group of uncatechised group of Catholics who are reaping what we are sowing. And please take that link to “Catholic and Enjoying it” off as the only thing Mr Shea is enjoying is making money off of dumb Catholics
I pray that Mark Shea will formally return to Protestantism. Let suckers of every denomination pay to hear his asshattery.
Laura
Not shea bashing, just speaking the truth about a “layperson” which is what he is who has some or little influence over Catholics pretending to know more than the Bishops who told us that we should vote for the better of two evils
He is arrogant and deletes anything that does not go along his train of thought off his blogs
And when you are doing this blogging for $$$$ as he is, then you are allowed to be criticized as he is now nothing more than a paid commentator along the lines of those who offer their backwards opinions in the commentary section of our liberal newspapers.
And when it has to do with a person who is supposed to be Catholic and leading others to vote for or to promote their own agenda and causing what we have now in mass murder of the unborn, gay marriage probably in all 50 states before his term is up, and who knows what else, then you need to be held accountable
There’s an award for you at my site – you might not be into such things, but I thought you were deserving!
45% of Mass-attending Catholics voted for Obama?!
Traitors.
Just verifying what was previously posted – Shea pretends to have a blog that allows comments, but only praise of him is allowed.
To add to Fr. BP’s comment, there is another organization you might be interested in supporting is NIFLA. They are organizing a program called The Life Choice Project. You can find out more about it at http://www.nifla.org/. If you know any pro-life obstetricians, you might want to have them take a look at it.
I continue to be amazed at the large number of Catholics that would vote for an unabashed pro-abortion candidate. We also saw several Obama bumper stickers in our church parking lot.
I can really only tie it to a confusion. A confusion from what some of them learned in CCD classes in the 1970’s (remember those CCD books with the pictures of butterflies and flowers and not much else?) To a mixed message that confuses many today. From Pelosi on Meet the Press, to others who intentionally try to confuse the issue.
I think it’s interesting to note that I looked over at Shea’s blog today and suddenly all he is talking about are pro-life issues.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
I continue to be amazed at the large number of Catholics that would vote for an unabashed pro-abortion candidate. We also saw several Obama bumper stickers in our church parking lot.
I can really only tie it to a confusion. A confusion from what some of them learned in CCD classes in the 1970’s (remember those CCD books with the pictures of butterflies and flowers and not much else?) To a mixed message that confuses many today. From Pelosi on Meet the Press, to others who intentionally try to confuse the issue.
I think it’s interesting to note that I looked over at Shea’s blog today and suddenly all he is talking about are pro-life issues.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Mark Shea is not the reason Obama was elected. Please stop the ad hominem and stick to the argument.
Marcel,
Just to clarify (if your post was directed to me) I was trying to address why a large number of Catholics would vote for Obama (and by mistake, did it twice! Post that is, not vote. Although with that Accorn group, oh well never mind).
Let’s face it. A large number of Mass going Catholics don’t give a hoot about the unborn. That’s the sobering truth.
Dymphna, I disagree. There is an old saying that the fish rots at the head first. IN my county, which is one of the most catholic counties in the country(65%), the pro-life candidates won by a margin of 72%-18%. But in this county all the priest spoke about FOCA and voting pro-life. Only 1 county in my diocese went to pro-choice Obama. The rest, some by very wide margins, went to McCain. But our Bishop also went out and spoke extensively about pro-life even though he did not get any kudos like Bps. Finn and Herman (*and wouldn’t want it). But I know too many priests who are Yellow dog democrats and would vote for Satan if he were on the DNC ticket. The ‘party first, faith second’ crowd. You’ll find tons of them in the east and west coasts and in the industrial midwest. If the laity see clergy fast and loose, that given permission..if their bishop remains silent..all the worse. IN the Great Plains you get a different feel. So it depends where you are. I know in my precinct, which is 90% Catholic (52% of which are weekly Mass attendees)that if historical precedence is any indication my Mass goers went 90%-10% pro-life. So there are still pockets of hope.
It’s not surprising that 45% of weekly mass attending Catholics voted for Obama. A sizable amount of weekly attendees go because that’s what they were raised doing. I imagine that if weekday attendees were polled it would be overwhelmingly in favor of McCain.
I think the best thing to pray about now would be that Obama doesn’t have his way with abortion legislation, and that he only has a 4-year term. That, I believe, would significantly minimize the damage he could do.
The 1.5-million-member organization and the mysterious hundreds of millions of dollars that brought this totalitarian socialist to the White House are moving fast. Be prepared for the worst. Obama: “The Constitution is a flawed document.” Obama’s spiritual mentor: “God damn America.” Obama’s political mentor: Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, Rules for Radicals,to Lucifer. Pray unceasingly. Think. Act.
Chins up, lads and lasses. God did not put us on this Earth to succeed, only to try.
Rick – my comments were not addressed to you. They were addressed to those that are trying to throw Mark under the bus. He did as he was called to do – follow his conscience (which is better formed than 99.999% of Catholics) and he did that. He also let others know his opinion, which he has a right to.
BTW – I disagree with Mark’s conclusion, but to blame an election on him is just crazy. Mark is a faithful Catholic and comments such as “I pray that Mark Shea will formally return to Protestantism” are scandalous. Mark is a dedicated, orthodox Catholic. He is a good man and the denigration of his character is beyond the pale.
He stood up to torture – which the Church calls intrinsically evil – and was vilified for it. This does not mean he doesn’t care about abortion or understand the gravity of the evil.
I won’t speak for Mark, but I don’t think anyone on here has any right to attack the man the way it has happened here.
Marcel, you are too ignorant to know what an ad hominem argument is, so take a wise man’s advice:
It’s better to keep one’s mouth shut and appear a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
Marcel:
“Asshattery” is a classical debate term frequently used by Cicero. You know nothing of truly persuasive and reasoned arguments like Gerry. Watch the Master and learn.
John, Gerry, Rick:
I realize you are upset and need to kick something. But once you calm down you really should find some way to come to grips with reality. My puny blog did not sink McCain. All the third party votes cast on Tuesday would not have been sufficient to save him.
As to my alleged Protestantism and my even more alleged “sudden” interest in prolife matters, you really need to remember that “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” is one of the biggie commandments, go to confession, and repent telling lies just to satisfy your rage. Any fool can see that my blog has always steadfastly upheld the Church’s teaching on human life both with respect to abortion *and* with respect to issues guys like John blithely dismiss. It takes rather a lot of nerve to contemptously piss on magisterial teaching about torture and then declare oneself competent to excommunicate a brother Catholic. Something else for the confessional, I think, fellas.
Finally, may I note that, among adults, it is taken for granted that people don’t owe you a forum in which to mindlessly attack them and tell lies about them. But in cyberspace, one still meets people in startling states of arrested development who can’t grasp why I might not be interested in the comments of proven, vicious liars. To those who have not emotionally matured since kindergarten and who don’t understand why I don’t provide people with a limitless forum to tell me how much they hate me and back it up with lies I say, “Cyberspace is a great place. Get your own blog and you can tell the whole wide world how vile you think me. Maybe you can find people who think your views intriguing and want to subscribe to your newsletter. Knock yourself out. Only, *I* don’t owe you a forum.”
Adulthood: Learn it. Love it. Live it.
Mr Shea
When you start leaving posts on your blog instead of banning those who speak of traditional teachings which you despise or worse yet in your case, actually dont agree with you like little Zippy with respect to you Papal views on torture and politics, then maybe we can have a conversation
Till then you are a bully and have to bear the blame for a few million more souls lost to the horrors of abortion
Dont know what church you go to but our Bishops made it very clear to us in a very subtle way as we know they cant endorse, on who to vote for
But you of course always know better
What I meant to say up there was that “Zippy” and I forget the other two devout bloggers on Mr Shea’s blog, are very devout and never ever disagree with him so they never get banned or deleted
Yes I know that we should all go out and start our own blogs if we dont like it, but we are not out there asking for money like Mr Shea who I am sure is not taken the vows of a cleric and some of us are just humble laypersons with an opinion and we may actually know a thing or two
He also by the way also writes now for Inside Catholic, Catholic Answers and who knows where else so his influence is far reaching
Only Go_ can judge, but he knows what he did
A wise man who hasn’t engaged the argument but has denigrated a brother? If that is wisdom, no thanks.
As for not knowing what ad hominem is, pick up a dictionary or better yet, let me do it for you:
“1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made “
We have a winner and it ain’t you.
John – Really? You really just made the argument that Mark is to be culpable for dead babies? Really?
I mean, really?
Hmm, Catholics bashing Catholics – greaaaaat. Divide and be conquered. Sure, we should fraternally correct each other (Catholics who promote the culture of death should be sanctioned), but let’s use our intellectual resources to promote the Faith and respectfully coax each other to be faithful and obedient to God and His Church.
Warren – my thoughts exactly.
BTW – I think Mark can be over-the-top in his rhetoric and too biting in his criticism of those that disagree with him. But, I have also see him have the humility to apologize when he sees it in himself.
Those who voted for Obama are not Catholic. I do not care what church they attend, nor do I care what the frequency of their attending said church is.
Catholic Bashing?
Who ever said Mark Shea was Catholic or a sheep in wolfs clothes pretending to be such and reaping in the money
As pointed out, once you take money you are no longer protected by the church, you are an opined commentator as he is, and he is not nor has ever spoke what was Catholic, maybe Catholic left wing which I dont even consider catholic but then again 45% of church going Catholics voted for Obama but he is not Catholic.
His ranting day in and day out about the so called unproven torture of a few Gitmo AlQuada was sickening and his stump speech for bashing Bush and with his platform if he led even one Catholic Soul down the road to vote for a baby killer it is his soul not mine
Your stances seem to indicate possibly you were in the 45% that voted for Obama or else you would be outraged as well
Jesus threw the tables over in the temple, I love our Pope but him calling Obama to congratulate him makes me question those actions as well
I didn’t vote for Obama. I made it clear that I can see no conceivable way any Catholic could vote for Obama. If some Catholic somehow divined from this that he should vote for Obama, I have a hard time seeing how I led him to that conclusion.
And I’m happy to be excommunicated alongside Pope Benedict by His Holiness John XXIV.
So, do you speak for the Church then?
I voted McCain. Thanks.
I am glad you know better than the Pope on what he should do though. Geez.
Mr Shea
You can continue your sarcasm all you like, you may have not voted for Obama, but your constant day in and day out tirades about torture, which the church itself may or may not have used centuries ago, against hardened Al Quada Moslem extremists in order to possibly protect a thousands possibly millions of innocent souls and blaming the Bush administration for the loss to Obama for this stance as well as Katrina which the Governor and Mayor of La bungled but had no guts to stand up for and take the blame, you may have well pulled the lever for Obama
Be a man and take the blame, you got what you wanted now and let the slaughter of the unborn begin or shall I say continue?
What the Pope should do?
I wonder if Jesus would have reached out to congratulate the pharises after another blaspemous act
Call the man who is a liberal and against anything Catholicism has to offer and offer him congratulations?
As per CNS, “the Pope The pope congratulated Obama, his wife and family, Father Lombardi said.
“He assured him of his prayers that God would help him with his high responsibilities for his country and for the international community,” Father Lombardi said.
The pope also prayed that “the blessing of God would sustain him and the American people so that with all people of good will they could build a world of peace, solidarity and justice,” the spokesman said.
Asked if the pope mentioned any specific issues he was concerned about, Father Lombardi responded, “peace, solidarity and justice.”
Peace Soldarity and justice? With a message like that from our Holy Father, and those like Mr Shea one can only wonder why Catholics are so messed up and 45% of actual Church going and 61% of CATHOLICS voted for this man
Pray for a full restoration of our church, her faith, her teachings, her traditions and morals back and bless us with sound orthodox clergy to lead us out of this wilderness
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0805616.htm
If I were Papal Commissar, people I would send to the Gulag:
1. Catholics who voted for Obama;
2. Catholics who are so arrogant and self-righteous that they dare question Pope Benedict’s outreach to the incoming regime.
People, we were supposed to vote *against* Obama; that doesn’t mean we had to vote *for* McCain. I freely disclose that I voted for McCain, but I could have written in Alan Keyes if I wanted to.
The Catholic Church is not the Republican party; the Republicans are liberals (in the classic sense) and their views do not conform with the Church’s views.
I would furthermore caution my fellow Americans of two things: 1. the Church can do better by having normal relations with the new regime than by being on the outs with them, and 2. we never know who is up for the next “Saul of Tarsus” treatment. Do you know, John? Does anybody know the will and mind of God? Then let’s pray for our president (however much we may hate the fact that he supports infanticide and sodomy) just like we had to do for the caesars, let’s make our case reasonably and eloquently just as St. Justin Martyr did, and let’s work harder next time so that a good man can get into office.
Or we could do the really smart thing and establish a Catholic monarchy. I nominate myself for king. I promise to unleash my secret police on blasphemers, abortionists and SSPXers.
Sedevacantists unite!
Fr BP,
You said:
“But I know too many priests who are Yellow dog democrats and would vote for Satan if he were on the DNC ticket. The ‘party first, faith second’ crowd. You’ll find tons of them in the east and west coasts and in the industrial midwest. If the laity see clergy fast and loose, that given permission..if their bishop remains silent..all the worse.”
I’m afraid you may be right but not sure about how extensive it is, from my own point of view that is.
When I went to college, a Catholic college, I remember being surprised to learn how many of the priests were dems. I am not sure why they were; I would not have asked them back then.
Recently, I learned a favorite priest of mine who has helped to reconnect me to the Church (through his great homilies, not Catholic lite – the real deal, based on scripture), is a dem. My aunt told me and she knows through her son (who was studying to be a priest and worked in the parish) and who knows the seminarian in the Church, who is good friends with our family. I don’t know if they voted for Obama but they are going to the inaugeration (from the west coast), so maybe that answers that. I think that for years, Bishops et al have not called anyone to the carpet on stuff like this, and yet I do see that we live in a society in which religious are a part (not a theocracy). I just cannot abide by priests voting for a pro-abortion guy. It boggles my mind. When did terminating a life get put on par with “social justice issues?” What to do? These are good friends and I only learned about it through someone. We weren’t in a conversation about it but I desperately want to ask the seminarian friend what he is thinking. I feel like asking will get me nowhere and perhaps only put strain on the relationship.
Fr BP,
You said:
“But I know too many priests who are Yellow dog democrats and would vote for Satan if he were on the DNC ticket. The ‘party first, faith second’ crowd. You’ll find tons of them in the east and west coasts and in the industrial midwest. If the laity see clergy fast and loose, that given permission..if their bishop remains silent..all the worse.”
I’m afraid you may be right but not sure about how extensive it is, from my own point of view that is.
When I went to college, a Catholic college, I remember being surprised to learn how many of the priests were dems. I am not sure why they were; I would not have asked them back then.
Recently, I learned a favorite priest of mine who has helped to reconnect me to the Church (through his great homilies, not Catholic lite – the real deal, based on scripture), is a dem. My aunt told me and she knows through her son (who was studying to be a priest and worked in the parish) and who knows the seminarian in the Church, who is good friends with our family. I don’t know if they voted for Obama but they are going to the inaugeration (from the west coast), so maybe that answers that. I think that for years, Bishops et al have not called anyone to the carpet on stuff like this, and yet I do see that we live in a society in which religious are a part (not a theocracy). I just cannot abide by priests voting for a pro-abortion guy. It boggles my mind. When did terminating a life get put on par with “social justice issues?” What to do? These are good friends and I only learned about it through someone. We weren’t in a conversation about it but I desperately want to ask the seminarian friend what he is thinking. I feel like asking will get me nowhere and perhaps only put strain on the relationship.
Love the quotations..
Marcel
How dare you make such a statement about sedevacantists and calling those who question our Pope in his congratulations of a liberal, gay marriage, 100% rating from planned parenthood baby killer being elected president as being sedevantists!!!
So I guess you see nothing wrong with this?
I love the Pope but it is just this kind of mixed up mixed message that has come from the church over the past 40 or 50 years from its leaders in an effort to be “loved” by the modern world that has now led Catholics to think they can do whatever they wanted
Used to be that politicians used to actually reach out to the Catholic block because they knew that they stood firmly for morals, now forget it, they will vote for baby killers or anyone for that matter because they see our leaders, the Vicar of Christ say it is OK, while the Bishops, his boots on the ground, for the most part in a subtle way said no way to vote for this man
I could not ever picture Pope Pius X reaching out to contgratulate a tyrant of the unborn on his or her election
Well, if his Holiness could get away with excommunicating the entire USA, maybe he would. But that wouldn’t un-elect Obama and it would just drive the American Church over the precipice of schism.
So what’s he supposed to do? Tell him off? I don’t see what that accomplishes. Obama already knows what the Catholic Church thinks about life issues… every serious radical knows that. So what does telling him off accomplish?
The Holy Father took a shot at salvaging at least some good out of this disaster. If he can work with Hussein to accomplish at least one or two small good works… that’s better than zero.
It’s called “politics”. And let’s not forget that during the Bush regime, abortion was chugging along full steam ahead. The presidency has an impact on it, but not always a big or immediate one.
John – Tell you what…
When you can explain to me how “peace, solidarity, and justice” being lived out in our world and in politics won’t mean the spread the pro-life message, then this discussion can continue.
When you can tell me why the Pope asking for “peace, solidarity, and justice” is a bad thing, then we will talk further.
Honey attracts more flies than vinegar. Is there a time and a place for a rebuke? Yes, but it should be done out of love, not triumphalism. A rebuke for the sake of rebuke doesn’t normally help non-Catholics who already disagree with the Church and are far from understanding her teachings. We just alienate more people.
The problem is that you are advocating a hammer approach, which won’t work. There is an arrogance which is very dangerous floating in these comments.
A “full restoration of the church” will ONLY happen when Christ comes again, so there is no problem praying for that. But, I don’t think it would happen if the church did what you want to order her to do.
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