The Catholics Against Rudy website has been officially launched now. It also applies to real conservatives against Rudy. Rudy’s Catholicism is a side issue to the disaster Rudy would be for the country. You can learn a lot about somebody by what hey are willing to overlook and the fact that Rudy still leads for the most part in the polls show a real problem. Hey if you are strong on the War on Terror we will overlook the fact that on social issues you are indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton.
The political problem with now having lived with the legality of abortion for so long is that people are getting complacent and not seeing it as the number one evil of our times. If Rudy Giuliani was a racist, but strong on the War on Terror would he be leading in the polls. If he said he would select judges who were not racist, but at the same time said that a strict constructionalist might find racism being allowed in the Constitution he would have been figuratively run out of town by now. Yet this is basically what he says about abortion. As evil as racism is, abortion is several magnitudes higher on the moral scale. Plus the idea the Giuliani thinks that a strict constructionalist can find abortion in the Constitution hiding there in privacy rights shows he has no idea what the term means. The excuse that he will pick good judges to appease the base is nonsense since he has been quite confrontational on the subject in his primary campaign. I am glad that he has been honest on this and has not flip-flopped just to get elected, though why should we believe that he will flip-flop once he does get elected and vote for what the base wants on abortion and other social issues? Rudy is telegraphing all of his punches and they seem to be directed at pro-lifers and other social conservatives.
I think if I hear the use of the world "big tent" in regards to Mayor Giuliani one more time I will scream. The idea that the GOP is a big tent is an idea that only goes so far. Circuses are also in big tents and considering Rudy’s three marriages I guess that would make it a "three ring" circus. Either the GOP’s platform means something or it is totally empty and the idea that a front runner candidate could select no on so much of it shows that it must mean nothing. The cry of the GOP during the Clinton years was "Character matters!" which I guess should have been "Character matters, unless we perceive you would be strong on defense."
The other argument that I detest is that he could win again Hillary. Hey lets just throw out all of our values so we can win! Wow that would be a great victory! What’s the difference between a New York Conservative and a New York Democrat? I don’t know either.
Then for Catholics there is of course the issue is the Rudy is just the GOP’s version of John Kerry as far as the faith goes. From one report I read is that the Mayor does not receive Communion even though the does go to Mass. His first marriage was annulled, but not his second. So at least there won’t be that issue to contend with as during the Kerry campaign.
I had hopped by now that Giuliani’s campaign would be taking the same dive as John McCain’s. Sen. McCain is a least somewhat pro-life, but he has annoyed the base by his contrary stands which really aren’t much different that what Rudy has done with the base. They are also both strong on national defense so I don’t see why Giuliani can be perceived so much better than McCain when the Senator’s record is much more conservative. I just hope that it is because many have a positive idea of America’s Mayor and don’t realize just how much of a liberal he really is. Now as for John McCain I am certainly not in his camp either and am quite glad he is falling by the wayside.
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Actually, has he said Thomas? It’s sounded to me like he studiously avoids mentioning Thomas’ name, referring instead to Scalia. But then I don’t read everything he says either.
The irony of this is that you’ve finally got a politician being honest, but what’s honestly in him we have to reject.
The other argument that I detest is that he could win again Hillary. Hey lets just throw out all of our values so we can win! Wow that would be a great victory! What’s the difference between a New York Conservative and a New York Democrat? I don’t know either.
And the other problem with this argument is that it simply not true. Just observing the vehement reaction against him here and in other quarters, plus the number of blogs supporting CAR, and it’s obvious that a Giuliani nomination would split the base and hand the election to Hillary.
Funny how leftists’ heads are exploding over conservative protests of Guiliani. I’ve been in several conversations where the person tried to play gotcha with me by mentioning Guiliani or Schwarzenegger. We I say they are unacceptable candidates as well, they are at complete loss–literally unable to conceive that everyone isn’t ideologue uber alles like they are.
I hear the NYC firemen don’t care much for Rudy, either, mainly because of Sept 11.
I love the “Rudy: Tough on Terrorists and Unborn Children” magnets they have in the site. I’ll probably order a bunch and put them on the cars outside Mass one of these days.
It is sad that he has chosen to go against the most defenseless ones because he probably has the most administrative experience of all the candidates out there. Right now I am going for Brownback.
I think the point is that one can easily vote for a candidate like Giuliani and be strenuously pro-life because in reality presidents don’t change hearts. I think it’s incredibly naive to think that if a president somehow succeeded in overturning Roe v Wade via his or her judicial appointments, then the problem is solved. I have seen no evidence that such a development would affect the frequency of abortions in the United States.
I think the point is that one can easily vote for a candidate like Giuliani and be strenuously pro-life because in reality presidents don’t change hearts. I think it’s incredibly naive to think that if a president somehow succeeded in overturning Roe v Wade via his or her judicial appointments, then the problem is solved. I have seen no evidence that such a development would affect the frequency of abortions in the United States.
And you would be wrong because this is just consequentialism–the means do not justify the ends. Voting for pro-abortionists=cooperation.
Of course I meant “the ends do not justify the ends. D’uh on me! 🙂
Oh for heaven’s sake, someone stop me! 🙂
Scott, I don’t think you responded to my argument. My point is that defeating abortion is not done through presidential elections. If your son were trapped in a burnin house, would you rather a pro-life 95-year-old wheelchair-bound great-great-grandmother to be passing by, or a robust, athletic fireman who happens to be pro-choice? The answer is obvious, of course. I am not suggesting that abortion is irrelevant to the presidency to the same extent that it would be irrelevant to saving your son’s life in such a scenario, but a president can’t do a whole lot in that regard.
Scott, I don’t think you responded to my argument. My point is that defeating abortion is not done through presidential elections. If your son were trapped in a burnin house, would you rather a pro-life 95-year-old wheelchair-bound great-great-grandmother to be passing by, or a robust, athletic fireman who happens to be pro-choice? The answer is obvious, of course. I am not suggesting that abortion is irrelevant to the presidency to the same extent that it would be irrelevant to saving your son’s life in such a scenario, but a president can’t do a whole lot in that regard.
Sure I responded. Voting for a pro-abortion candidate is wrong. Whether they are effective on the abortion issue is irrelevant. One might as well have said in the 1850’s that one can vote for a pro-slavery candidate because the President can’t really do anything to prevent States from leaving the Union. Your example is faulty because I am not suggesting pro-abortionists are incapable of doing good.
I thought as you did at the last pres. election, timthomas. I am sorry now. I won’t repeat the error. It means a lot to do what is right. God is on our side when we are obedient. That means more than “playing one’s cards right” politically. When we do as we should but are helpless as to the results, God hears our cries in a special way.
We are not to cooperate with evil. There is no excuse for voting for a pro-choice candidate.