There are certain things that are almost certain to get my ire up. One of them is putting a picture up of Saint Thérèse of Lisieux as a header in an article on women’s ordination. The scandalous lie that Saint Thérèse advocated women priests is bandied about in progressive quarters as if it is the truth instead of calumny against a great Doctor of the Church.
“If only I were a priest! How lovingly I would bear You in my hands, my Jesus, when my voice had brought You down from Heaven. How lovingly I would give. You to souls!” “Yet while wanting to be a priest, I admire St. Francis of Assisi and envy his humility, longing to imitate him in refusing this sublime dignity.”
I myself have often thought of being a priest and what it must be like to hold Jesus in your hands during the consecration. So I guess I must be advocating that married men who have never had a vocation to the priesthood be priests. And what about those single men without a priestly vocation? I guess they are also not equal and it is just not fair until the “institutional Church” allows everyone to be a priest regardless of a simple thing like a vocation. In fact maybe I should start a “Single and Married Men Without a Priestly Vocation Ordination Conference.” How long must men without priestly vocations have to await for equality. We are not truly free until we can live peacefully in a vocation-blind society.
Now back to the article in question. I doubt if it will surprise my readers that it was in the America Magazine blog, those that aren’t surprised will at least be disappointed. Admirer of all things Jesuit (except dissent) Karen Hall is not much pleased either. In this post Francis X. Clooney, S.J. laments about the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith recent decree on those who attempt to confer or women who receive ordination are automatically excommunicated.
We all know that there are Catholic women with a very deep conviction that God is calling them to priestly service in the Church. Many of these women, during long years of service to the Church, have discerned the matter over and over again, tested it in community — and still affirm, “God is calling me to ordained ministry, to the priesthood.” Some of these women have suffered very patiently and quietly in a Church that says it cannot ordain them; some have left, often sadly, and welcomed ordination in another Christian community; and some, reports tell us, have been ordained by bishops — and for this, they are to be counted as excommunicated.
What advocates of women’s ordination never mention is that it is not the deep conviction of the person that is primary in discerning a vocation. Not all men who enter seminary go on to be ordained since they either discern that they have no priestly vocation or that their bishop or seminary discerns this. The discernment process is mediated by the Church and it is not the individual alone who determines their calling. This is such a weak argument in so many ways. What about the various people such as Kansan David Bawden (Michael I) who consider that they are the current Pope. Surely they have “very deep convictions” that God is calling them to papal service in the Church. The sad truth is that there are many people who have deluded themselves into believing something that is simply not true. They need to be charitably corrected and objectively it is not charitable to go along with or support them in their mistake.
This blog is not the place to debate the merits of positions on women’s ordination. But it seems obvious that very many of us feel strongly on this issue — including, surely, many who are ordained 3 or 13 or 30 or 50 years — and we are not likely to change our minds now. This issue — does God call women as well as men to ordination? — seems likely to remain one of the great divides in the Church of the 21st century, and we all, men as well as women, are, or should be, suffering through the experience. That the Vatican has definitively ended the discussion does not make it less likely that many will continue to have hearts rent by the issue. I am sure God hears many a prayer, many a day, on the topic.
Wow I guess the apostolic tradition and magisterial teaching on this subject must be all wrong since many people feel strongly on this subject. I guess the fact that those such a myself who support Church teaching and feel strongly on the subject don’t count. In this case suffering is being caused by a lack of obedience and pride that assumes they know better than the Church. Pope Michael 1 is not the only one who thinks they are Pope.
Then-Cardinal Ratzinger wrote in a dubium that “This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. But even if you don’t accept the dubium, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis requires “Religious submission of intellect and will” as taught by the Second Vatican Council. Blog posts like this one at America Magazine show a total disobedience even to Vatican II which they seem to always talk about, but never read. The question of women’s ordination is settled, please move on to the vast areas of theology that are not settled or can be more deeply reflected on and more light shed upon.
For those who want to look at the reasons why the Church does not have the authority to change this teaching I would highly recommend Catholic Priesthood and Women: A Guide To The Teaching Of The Church by Sr. Sara Butler, MSBT which I reviewed here.
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Many of the women and homosexual men who feel that they are called to be priests in the Church don’t have that as their only issue with Church teaching.
If indeed they were given an examination of their beliefs based on, say, Pope Paul VI’s :Credo of the People of God”, the 40th anniversary of which is being celebrated, I suspect there would be other issues.
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/204969?eng=y
Yeah, and George McGovern had a very strong conviction that he should be president. He discerned it over and over again during long years of service to the government, and tested it in the community of Democratic primaries, but guess what: the discernment process wasn’t his alone; it was mediated by the electorate and the electoral college. Sorry, George.
Or, since the pro-women’s ordination types probably think McGovern did have the “vocation” to be president, we could use Barry Goldwater as an example. I wonder if Fr. Clooney thinks AuH2O should have been president due to his strong convictions, discernment and testing in GOP primaries. . . .
Many of these women, during long years of service to the Church, have discerned the matter over and over again, tested it in community — and still affirm, “God is calling me to ordained ministry, to the priesthood…and for this, they are to be counted as excommunicated.
I am reminded of king Saul, who thought (discerned) that it was both expedient and right to ignore the prophetic office (though he himself was a prophet) and to usurp the priesthood because he was in danger of losing many of his followers (1 Sam 13).
That the Vatican has definitively ended the discussion does not make it less likely that many will continue to have hearts rent by the issue. I am sure God hears many a prayer, many a day, on the topic.
I am reminded of Samuel’s words to Saul after his second fall from grace (1 Sam 15):
“Does the LORD so delight in holocausts and sacrifices as in obedience to the command of the LORD? Obedience is better than sacrifice, and submission than the fat of rams. 23 For a sin like divination is rebellion, and presumption is the crime of idolatry. Because you have rejected the command of the LORD, he, too, has rejected you as ruler.”
24 Saul replied to Samuel: “I have sinned, for I have disobeyed the command of the LORD and your instructions. In my fear of the people, I did what they said.25 Now forgive my sin, and return with me, that I may worship the LORD.”26 But Samuel said to Saul, “I will not return with you, because you rejected the command of the LORD and the LORD rejects you as king of Israel.”
I’m also reminded of Matthew 18: “if he will not listen even (Note the emphasis!) to the Church, let him be to you as a heathen or a tax collector.”
Why is it that rebels always think God is at their beck and call?
St. Therese had humility…something that these people at America seemed to forget…
“Truth is not determined by majority vote” – favorite quote from the Pope (then Cardinal). Even if it were, I still don’t think the majority would vote for women’s ordination. How arrogant to think that the most divisve issue in the Church today is the one these people have an issue with.
“This issue — does God call women as well as men to ordination? — seems likely to remain one of the great divides in the Church of the 21st century”
Someone is calling, that part is right. Now, who’s call is the one that instigate divisions?
How dare those patriarch mysoginists suggest that the community is not the ultimate source and discerner of all vocations?!
Why, haven’t they read their Dutch Catechism? Haven’t they read their Schilebeckx?
Don’t they know that all priestly powers come from the congregation, and that a priest is only ordained by the will of the congregation, for only as long as the people (READ, ME!) decide?
This is NOT very inclusive. I’ll keep my loyalty to the future popes, and what the spirit tells me the future teaching of the Church will be… which happens to match EXACTLY with what I want it to be… thanks.
Oh, Fr. Francis X. Clooney. He used to teach at Boston College while I was there.
He’s a syncretist.
“Many of these women, during long years of service to the Church, have discerned the matter over and over again, tested it in community — and still affirm, “God is calling me to ordained ministry, to the priesthood.”
It has always struck me as odd that any woman who lived within any supportive community, religious or otherwise, could repeatedly discern “over and over again” that a good and loving God was calling her to a priestly vocation with such a strong conviction that the frustration of that conviction would cause great pain and emotional suffering in her life and in the lives of her community members. While at the same time that same good and loving God had so constructed his Church that the fulfillment of her/their conviction was impossible.
Would a good and loving God do that to her/them? Does that sound to anyone like the actions of a good and loving God? Or does it sound like the actions of the King of lies, the great seducer and tempter? What is the true source of her/their discontentment, pain and suffering? The answer seems incredibly obvious.
Did this poor woman consider that even if she were a MAN, the fact that she (or he?) supports the ordination of women would be enough to keep her (him?) from being ordained? Why do such people insist that there is a RIGHT to be ordained a priest anyway? But this is what happens when PC meets the truth….