“I could see myself going to jail possibly at some point over the next 15 years, if God spares me, if I speak out,” said Archbishop Tartaglia, the newly appointed Metropolitan of Glasgow, speaking of “gay marriage” recently. Via Fr. Ray Blake
This reminded me of what Cardinal George also said:
“I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square”
Though the considering the culture Cardinal George might be a bit optimistic in his timescale.
Considering the latest liberal beef with Chick-Fil-a and wanting to shut them down after Chick-fil-A president talked to the Biblical Recorder in North Carolina (which was circulated by Baptist Press) .
Some have opposed the company’s support of the traditional family. “Well, guilty as charged,” said Cathy when asked about the company’s position. “We are very much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. …
“We are very much committed to that,” Cathy emphasized. “We intend to stay the course,” he said. “We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”
Because of course defending traditional marriage makes you instantly homophobic. Funny how liberals go on and on about the blacklist years in Hollywood (something way overblown) and with the next breath tries to shut down anyone who oppose their view. We saw the same kind of behavior in the aftermath of the vote in California where people lost their jobs or had other repercussions for signing the petition for traditional marriage. This is not going to get any better any time soon. It will probably get much worse.
The natural law is being vetoed by a feel-good individualism that appeals to an emotionalism that ignores the plain facts of the natural ends of marriage. An argument you can never win because just making one brands you a homophobic bigot who just hates hates hates. They will never hear you make any distinctions regarding same-sex affection and homosexual acts and will assign you no motive other than the most base. Jimmy Akin has a good post today on this Are You a Hater or a Bigot? Or Are You Just Intolerant?, the modern equivalent of “When did you stop beating your wife?”.
Now can you imagine if any Mayor or some religious group tried to use zoning laws to stop a business owned by people who favored same-sex marriage what the outcry would be? This would be exactly the type of “unjust discrimination” that Cardinal Ratzinger wrote about. I’m not talking about fringe groups like “God hates …” who are condemned by everybody.
The liberal Taliban – the Tolerban – uses tolerance to force compliance. Modern liberalism has always been immune to irony. The attack on religious freedom is scaling up to full warfare.
Since we are on the topic of Chick-fil-A, here is a parody I did before some years ago.
What if the notorious anti-Catholic Jack Chick had started a fast food chain? Can you imagine a Jack Chick-fil-A? No Shoes, No Shirt, No Papists – No Service. Which each unhappy meal you would get a Chick Tract to color. Maybe also included would be a Whore of Babylon Pope Action Figure. Above the french fry fryers would be a sign – this is what happens to Catholics. A fish sandwich would be available everyday except Fridays in Lent. You can’t order a sandwich with the works since his theology denies that you can get a sandwich through works. You must have faith and a couple of bucks. There would also be the doctrine of Sola Menu – only what is on the menu can be ordered. The menu is sufficient to order by and no menu items that were invented at the time of Constantine are available.
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In all the concern over homophobia, the “Jack Chick-fil-A” tract is priceless! “Fries thoroughly cooked in the Lake Of Fire” would make a very attention-grabbing commercial jingle 🙂
That is hilarious…due to certain affiliations I cannot repost but I sure want to.
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The “Tolerban”. That’s perfect. So very true.
Still don’t understand any of this.
Your god says to kill the gays, fine, the Holy See obeys the command for about 1,500 years or so. Now the Church doesn’t have that kind of power and it seems that all you guys want to do is shame and ostracize gays back into the closet and keep them as disenfranchised from society as possible.
Is that your compromise with killing? We won’t murder gays but we don’t treat them like people either! Is that good enough for Jesus?
At any rate the mayors of Boston and Chicago should STFU, they have no business telling a legal business that they can’t open up anywhere because they don’t like what the CEOs believe.
But I got a huge kick out of the chicken people lying about the puppet recall. Is it a Christian value to BS like that? Or are they such theists that they get confused between what actually happened and what they want to happen? That they have faith that it was a safety recall?
Is it me or is salvage becoming harder and harder to understand? Between the blind rage, inarticulate post’s faulty logic and refusing to look at anyone elses point of view, the only thing I ever get from him anymore is “I hate religion and everyone who follows one!”
You’d think that for someone who doesn’t believe in God he wouldn’t waste his life talking about Him all the time.
Thank you for admitting that you don;t understand any of this. It looks like our prayers are starting to have an effect.
May the Lord help you reflect on your own words and to do some serious studying and thinking so as to stop your hilariously ignorant rants.
Mother Mary, help this brother of ours see the light and be freed from the dark ignorance that enslaves him now.
My comment was obviously directed at brother salvage.
Matt, we cross posted, but I think that salvage is so getting tangled up in his lack of understanding and logic that he may be close to realizing that he makes no sense and does not know what he is talking about. Let’s keep praying for him.
I will give Salvage credit for defending Chick-fil-A’s right to operate their business free of interference.
Ha! Ha! Yes Matt! I am rage! Grrrr! Grrr!
Oh silly theist, once again you ascribe negative emotion to my points in to give yourself permission not to address them in any meaningful way.
They are again:
Your god hates homosexuals and commands you to kill them.
Your church did this for hundreds of years until people started thinking maybe burning people alive for having sex is wrong.
Now your church seems to be content to do their best to have gays disenfranchised from society as I suppose a compromise for not killing them.
Feel free to point out where I am wrong there!
Nah, easier to call names and pretend I’m something I am not. That’s the theist way; when reality doesn’t work, make up your own!
PS
Grrrr! Angry! Me angry!
Go get some waffle fries, they’ll calm your angry eyes. Whose”god” promotes killing homosexuals?
Oh man I wish they had Chick-fil-A up here but thanks to their CEO being an idiot it probably will never happen. We used to have a Kenny Rogers and that was amazing. Canada doesn’t have good chain chicken, it’s a source of national shame for me. And White Castle! No White Castle! In some ways we are barbaric.
The god from the Bible that Jews Christians and Muslims seem to think is real.
Ave Maria, gratia plena
Ave Maria, gratia plena
Our poor brother salvage is still shadowboxing an imaginary enemy. It would be so helpful to have an actual dialogue with him when he is actually ready to be open to truth.
But not yet.
Praying for his happiness…
The God FTBTJC&MSTTIR does endorse Chick-Fil-A, friend Salvage, and yes, your mayor is being very short-sighted on denying you the food of the angels. Why do you think fried chicken is mandatory at church suppers?
And yes, you’ve discovered that dirty little secret, Jack CHICK is the black sheep member of the chain.
Ha! Ha! Yes Matt! I am rage! Grrrr! Grrr!
Oh silly theist, once again you ascribe negative emotion to my points in to give yourself permission not to address them in any meaningful way.
(Well here ya go)
They are again:
Your god hates homosexuals and commands you to kill them.
(False. The book of Leviticus which you will no doubt point too, was a book of law created by a people beset on all sides by enemies thousands of years ago in order that they might survive and identify one another in a hostile world. Besides, homosexuality was and still is an abomination and was treated as such, the same goes for incest, bestiality and other previsions. That doesn’t mean God hates the person, indeed the acts of repentance that were also described in Jewish law would apply to a homosexual as much as they would anyone else. Do remember Savage, that it was Christ who fulfilled the Law and thus gave us an “eaiser yolk” to handle. A New Convenient if you will that was radicle and strange to the people who heard of it. “BUT WHY DIDN’T GOD PASS THAT BEFORE HUH?!?!?” Because the Law wasn’t meant to be kind, it was meant to be Just. If you study Jewish law in the Old testament, each time God hands down a new set of laws, they become stricter and stricter in order to deal with the wickedness of the people)
Your church did this for hundreds of years until people started thinking maybe burning people alive for having sex is wrong.
(No it didn’t. For one my Church has existed for thousands of years. Two, it was the secular authority that put people to death. It was the Church that offered forgiveness and salvation. Even during the height of the Inquisition, it was the Church that offered the condemned a chance to “save their necks” so to speak, often by coaching the “heretic” on what to say so that they wouldn’t be put to death.)
Now your church seems to be content to do their best to have gays disenfranchised from society as I suppose a compromise for not killing them.
(No. This blog http://www.stevegershom.com/ was written by a gay Catholic. He’s still just as much a member of my Church as I am, and I would suspect closer to holiness then I. )
Feel free to point out where I am wrong there!
(everything you posted was flawed. But I’m sure you’ll ignore anything I said for one reason or another and simply continue wasting you life reading Catholic blogs. Not that I mind, I can think of worst ways to waste your life.)
Nah, easier to call names and pretend I’m something I am not. That’s the theist way; when reality doesn’t work, make up your own!
(Again, I’m pretty sure you just as shallow and angry as every other internet atheist I’ve had the pleasure of knowing. You’re a troll. A committed troll to be sure, but a shallow troll none the less)
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Grrrr! Angry! Me angry!
(Yes I know.)
> (False. The book of Leviticus which you will no doubt point too, was a book of law created by a people
Whoa now! Created by people?!!? No, no, no holy word of your god is what I’ve been told… or is that only select parts?
>beset on all sides by enemies thousands of years ago in order that they might survive and identify one another in a hostile world.
So killing gays was a defensive move? Makes perfect sense!
>Besides, homosexuality was and still is an abomination and was treated as such, the same goes for incest, bestiality and other previsions.
An abomination! AHAHHHAHH! YES! Thank you! See? This is the hate I’m talking about! So gay people are just like that huh? Tell me what makes them so?
>That doesn’t mean God hates the person,
So your god likes people it / its followers call abominations?
>indeed the acts of repentance that were also described in Jewish law would apply to a homosexual as much as they would anyone else.
So, your god makes people gay (or do you think it a choice? If so when and why did you choose to be straight?) and then tells them that they’re an abomination and but if they’re really sorry about the way it made them your god will forgive them!
Seems legit to me!
>Do remember Savage, that it was Christ who fulfilled the Law and thus gave us an “eaiser yolk” to handle.
No, I don’t remember and how does that make sense? Your god was wrong in laying down the older laws and Jesus was its correction? How does that make sense if your god is perfect?
> A New Convenient if you will that was radicle and strange to the people who heard of it.
Which would be no one at the time. Isn’t it weird, your god comes to Earth to change everything but no one notices for some 30-70 years after and it takes another 300 years for it to spread to Rome’s higher orders and only after several bloody wars. Then more war and genocide to get it to the rest of Europe.
Oh and it wasn’t radical, Jesus said and did nothing new that hadn’t been done by past demigods.
>Because the Law wasn’t meant to be kind, it was meant to be Just.
And it was Just to kill the gays for being born gay? Can you explain that?
> If you study Jewish law in the Old testament, each time God hands down a new set of laws, they become stricter and stricter in order to deal with the wickedness of the people)
As it was passing down these laws wouldn’t your all powerful / knowing god know that they wouldn’t work?
Why didn’t your god pass laws like we have now? I don’t know about where you live but up here we have an incredibly low crime rate, peace and prosperity. Isn’t it weird? The Parliament of Canada can govern better than your universe creating god!
>(No it didn’t. burn people for being gay?
Uh huh:
In the year 342, the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans declared the death penalty for a male who aped the role of a bride.[11] In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius denounced males “acting the part of a woman”, condemning those who were guilty of such acts to be publicly burned.[12] The Christian emperor Justinian (527–565) made those who would now be called “homosexuals” a scape goat for problems such as “famines, earthquakes, and pestilences.”[13]
History books, website and lectures, lots of them out there about your religion, why don’t you read up on them? The history of the Popes is especially fun… unless you want to keep thinking the Holy See as divine, then stay away!
> Two, it was the secular authority that put people to death.
So, there wasn’t any execution of gays but if there was it wasn’t the Church! Are you sure you know your history?
>It was the Church that offered forgiveness and salvation.
Yes, then they would burn you alive so that your god could handle the details.
>Even during the height of the Inquisition, it was the Church that offered the condemned a chance to “save their necks” so to speak, often by coaching the “heretic” on what to say so that they wouldn’t be put to death.)
No, it was like this; they believed, as you do, that your insecure god will throw anyone into Hell for not believing in it. Hell is the worst thing ever so there was no crime in doing anything to save people from it. Hence the Inquisitions. They honestly thought by torturing Jews, Muslims and pagans that they were helping save them from something far worse. Hence the “coaching” and other “assistance”.
That’s what your religion teaches right? If you don’t believe in it you go to Hell?
Feel free to point out where I am wrong there!
>No. This blog http://www.stevegershom.com/ was written by a gay Catholic.
Now I’m confused! Isn’t he an abomination?!?! Isn’t he the same as someone who has sex with their own children and dogs??!? You just said so right?
Or is he a gay guy who doesn’t have gay sex and just suffers while he denies himself the comfort and pleasures of love and human contact because your god will throw him into Hell if he does? That’s an awesome choice your loving god gave him, bit like the crazy from the “Saw” movies. Suffer now or suffer later!
>everything you posted was flawed.
No, not really but it’s important to your delusional maintenance that you think so.
>Again, I’m pretty sure you just as shallow and angry as every other internet atheist I’ve had the pleasure of knowing. You’re a troll. A committed troll to be sure, but a shallow troll none the less
Ah once again, easier to call names then to point out where I’m wrong but I look forward to you correcting my history on your church killing gays. You’ll have to deny a lot of facts to do so but hey, you seem up to the job!
Ave Maria, gratia plena,
Don’t you love how our brother salvage proves his opponent’s points and doesn’t even realize it.
One day he will…
Our Father who art in Heaven, please continue to help salvage and encourage other readers to identify all the wrong ideas that he has and the corresponding truths that Mother Church teaches on those issues.
To CatholicskyWalker and Roberto: Amen and Amen! sound the Amen again!
>Our Father who art in Heaven, please continue to help salvage
How would your god do that? Mind control?
>and encourage other readers to identify all the wrong ideas that he has and the corresponding truths that Mother Church teaches on those issues.
Um, you can’t? And which Mother Church? The one that burned homosexuals alive or the one that covers up child rape and lies about condoms in Africa? Or the one that teaches that woman cannot be raised to positions of authority and policy creation? Or how about how being filthy rich is what Jesus intended for his Mother Church? He didn’t actually teach that, quite the opposite so I guess maybe he was wrong?
You church does teach quite a bit but I’m not sure if you’re paying much attention to the lessons.
@Salvage: for all your affirming that all religions are lies, you do have in for the Roman Catholic Church. Is it them you’re most upset at or do you also haunt Protestant/Buddhist/Pagan sites?
He who chases two rabbits catches neither.
>for all your affirming that all religions are lies,
Only the ones that claim to have a connection to a god or god like being.
> you do have in for the Roman Catholic Church.
I do! They covered up child rape, they laundered money for the Mafia, these aren’t points up for debate, they are facts and well established. How could I not despise such an organization? I have no issue with people who are Roman Catholic and go to Church beyond my curiosity to how they can turn a blind eye to such evil. I get that most just are looking out for their afterlives, I suppose I can’t judge the fear that Hell induces into believers.
> Protestant
The crazy ones that scream about hating gays and other nutty stuff, sure as I come across them.
Any blogs that just talk about their god, offer prayers and other nostrum I ignore. It’s ones that mix in politics and do stuff like praise thugs like G. Gordon Liddy that I take more of an active interest in.
>Buddhist
Not sure if I’ve ever seen such a thing.
>Pagan sites?
Well generally I agree with their politics and they rarely if ever say anything like how a woman’s body isn’t her own. However I mock the heck out of anyone who go on about ley lines and Mother Earth or how the pyramids were made by aliens. That one always induces a cynical rage.
I don’t like hippies or commies much either.
>He who chases two rabbits catches neither.
No? Give me a snare and a trail and I’ll catch ’em all.
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Rockport Pilot, Rockport Texas
Friday, August 3, 2012
Dear Editor;
Since there are many businesses whose primary reason for existence is to spread hate, in addition to Chick-Fil-A, and since there are many executives who espouse bigoted traditional values and hate-driven biblical values, would not the actions of all good pure people – which includes, by definition, all Democrats – in avoiding these businesses be greatly facilitated if: 1. Christian businesses be required to display a Star Of Bethlehem sign in their businesses – and this could be a federal regulation whose implementation involves multiple government agencies, e.g. EPA, Health And Human Services, Department of Education, Homeland Security, and of course the Center for Disease Control; and 2. Christian executives be required to wear a Star Of Bethlehem over their hearts or have one tattooed on their forearms? And, to further the purity of Democrats and all others who are free of hate, why not have all Christians who go out in public be required to wear a Star Of Bethlehem over their hearts or have it tattooed on their foreheads? Of course a crucifix would do instead of the star.
Am I remembering correctly something like this once happened? Was it in Europe? Wasn’t there some kind of conflict about this? How did the pure people do that time?
Guy McClung