After all the blowup over the invitation of the virulently pro-abortion author of the right-destroying HHS mandate Kathleen Sebelius, the only defense the formerly Catholic and’ presently Jesuit Georgetown could muster is that the event that Sebelius will be speaking at is not a “commencement.”
Georgetown has even gone back and edited their original announcement in which they called it a commencement ceremony. Crisis over. Nothing to see here.
“Secretary Sebelius is not speaking at Georgetown’s commencement. She is speaking at Georgetown Public Policy Institute’s annual student and faculty awards event,” Georgetown spokesman Rachel Pugh said in an email to The Cardinal Newman Society.
They must think we are as stupid as they clearly are.
So, she is not speaking at a commencement. What is she speaking at?
As CNS reports, she is speaking at an event during commencement weekend in which graduates of the Georgetown Public Policy Institute will have their names called, they will walk across a stage, and receive their diplomas. She is speaking at the event in which all these things happen, but don’t call it a commencement.
What is it with these people that that they think that changing a word and denying the obvious changes the real nature of things. Kinda like calling a creature with 46 chromosomes, a heart, a brain, fingers and toes a fetus instead of a person magically makes all the horribleness go away.
What is wrong with these people?
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If she were pro-death penalty would it be okay for her to speak?
Jeff – the list of what is wrong with these people is definitely enough for a several part blog series! 😉
(((What is it with these people that that they think that changing a word and denying the obvious changes the real nature of things. Kinda like calling a creature with 46 chromosomes, a heart, a brain, fingers and toes a fetus instead of a person magically makes all the horribleness go away.
What is wrong with these people? )))
Jeff! Are we talking about real people here who believe that humans are animals and/or are we simply talking about animals who think that humans are really animals in the real world cause there is a difference ya know?
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?
Who yelled “IT” out? 🙂
What is wrong with these people?
Please redirect the question: What is wrong with us? Remember that was US who went to Rome in the 1990s, & got suspended the oficial fundinf for the gay y pro choice “clubs” in G’town.
That means: if we do not arrange action in Rome, the scandal makers wil continue to insult us.
By the way, as far as I’m informed G’town STILL dedicates a building to notorious pro-choice culprit Fr. Drinan.
Scandal is the worst sin.
There is no comparison between the death penalty and the infanticide of the unborn. Atheists would rather murder the innocent and let the guilty go free. Furthermore, the number of convicted felons executed for their capital crimes numbers in the thousands since 1973 whereas the number of innocent babies murdered numbers in the tens of millions. Adolf Hitler would turn green with envy.
Again, was Judas unavailable for this non-commencement ceremony
>Atheists would rather murder the innocent and let the guilty go free.
Ha! Ha! Yes! That is so true! Atheists are complete monsters! You are very smart.
The Vatican condemns the death penalty for the exact same reasons they do abortion yet right wing Catholics seem to either ignore or deny this fact. They’re always ready to go scream at women walking into clinics but won’t protest outside a prison.
So it’s not that you’re “pro-life” more “pro-fetus”.
So close Salvage.
well, not really.
The death penalty is allowed for in very rare cases,
abortion is not.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2267.htm
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”
on abortion, start at 2270
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
This took me all of 5 minutes to get to what the Church really teaches on the matter.
Also gave me some really good appologetics sources, so in a way, thanks.
salvage, can you give us some solid examples of people who go scream at women and won’t protest outside a prison? Because I have seen large numbers of Catholics who quietly pray in front of both, but I’d like to be educated about the phenomenon you mention. And please offer more than one or two nut cases: is there a movement along the lines you describe?
Also, you are correct, Catholics are pro-fetus. And also pro-infant, pro-child, pro-adolescent, pro-adult, pro-senior and pro-dying.
“If she were pro-death penalty would it be okay for her to speak?” Yes it would. As capital punishment is not absolutely forbidden by the teaching of the Church. (See http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0461.html)
salvage: if you are willing to educate us, can you also provide some evidence for your claim that the Vatican is opposed to abortion and death penalty for “the exact same reasons” ? Because what I have seen coming from the Magisterium does not seem to support such claim
(((Ha! Ha! Yes! That is so true! Atheists are complete monsters! You are very smart.)))
I say that none of U>S (usual sinners) have the right to look into Jack or Dick and salvage what we think is right and/or wrong. Remember that in all bad feed us and/or human things that have evolved, there once was found to be good things that also came out of “IT” and there could still be a LOT more good in person that we’ve over looked. In other words let’s not pass by a four leaf clover just cause we’re only looking for three leaves NOW!
Remember that soul and spirit as gods, have the right and the wrong to travel into whatever temple they so choose and until the judgement day when all the old goats will be divided, until then, as simple human fetus, we have no right to judge but as so called gods that we think we are, we still do! Go Figure! 🙁
(((The death penalty was considered especially fitting as a punishment for murder since in his covenant with Noah God had laid down the principle, “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in His own image” (Genesis 9:6).)))
I hear ya! WHAT ARE YA TALKING ABOUT VICTOR?
Ya don’t need to yell sinner vic! 🙂
Peace
Intervention by H.E. Archbishop Renato R. Martino
Apostolic Nuncio, Permanent Observer
of the Holy See to the United Nations
before the Third Committee
of the 54th Session of the General Assembly
on Item 116A
Abolition of the Death Penalty
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/documents/rc_seg-st_doc_02111999_death-penalty_en.html
DECLARATION OF THE HOLY SEE
TO THE FIRST WORLD CONGRESS
ON THE DEATH PENALTY
The Holy See has consistently sought the abolition of the death penalty and his Holiness Pope John Paul II has personally and indiscriminately appealed on numerous occasions in order that such sentences should be commuted to a lesser punishment, which may offer time and incentive for the reform of the guilty, hope to the innocent and safeguard the well-being of civil society itself and of those individuals who through no choice of theirs have become deeply involved in the fate of those condemmed to death.
The Pope had most earnestly hoped and prayed that a worldwide moratorium might have been among the spiritual and moral benefits of the Great Jubilee which he proclaimed for the Year Two Thousand, so that dawn of the Third Millennium would have been remembered forever as the pivotal moment in history when the community of nations finally recognised that it now possesses the means to defend itself without recourse to punishments which are “cruel and unnecessary”. This hope remains strong but it is unfulfilled, and yet there is encouragement in the growing awareness that “it is time to abolish the death penalty”.
It is surely more necessary than ever that the inalienable dignity of human life be universally respected and recognised for its immeasurable value. The Holy See has engaged itself in the pursuit of the abolition of capital punishment and an integral part of the defence of human life at every stage of its development and does so in defiance of any assertion of a culture of death.
Where the death penalty is a sign of desperation, civil society is invited to assert its belief in a justice that salvages hope from the ruin of the evils which stalk our world. The universal abolition of the death penalty would be a courageous reaffirmation of the belief that humankind can be successful in dealing with criminality and of our refusal to succumb to despair before such forces, and as such it would regenerate new hope in our very humanity.
Strasbourg, 21 June 2001.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/documents/rc_seg-st_doc_20010621_death-penalty_en.html
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm – without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself – the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”68
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm
Wow, it’s amazing how you guys know more about Catholic policy than the Vatican!
Or maybe it’s because you like the death penalty so you decided that your religion does too and like in all things in theism facts won’t sway you in the slightest.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0461.html
“I” Victor, don’t do too much reading cause if truth be known I’m kind of scared that sinner vic and his so called spiritual imaginary friends may “End Up” if you know what “I” mean, into agreeing with their so called gods of our times but nevertheless I would like to thank “Fr. Erik J Richtsteig” and “First Things” for having made this material available and for what………
Don’t pay Victor any attention fetus, I mean folks! The only reason we allowed his flesh brain cells to read this stuff is because a friend of some of our spiritual alien god cells have asked for a little favor and NOW “IT” will be easier for this weakest strongest cell of today to join and agree with many of U>S. so……
Who are these friendly cells that you talk about sinner vic?
“IT” is ok folks cause this is par for Victor’s course and his cells can’t hurt any of you in the real world that we own cause his so called temple has been dismantle if ya know what “I” mean but we salvage many of his cells of April 17, 2012 and if these old goats don’t smarten UP, we might just set them lose on humanity?
Enough sinner vic! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Colson
GOD Bless His Soul.
But, as John Paul II remarks in Evangelium Vitae, modern improvements in the penal system have made it extremely rare for execution to be the only effective means of defending society against the criminal.
There is, first of all, a possibility that the convict may be innocent. John Stuart Mill, in his well-known defense of capital punishment, considers this to be the most serious objection. In responding, he cautions that the death penalty should not be imposed except in cases where the accused is tried by a trustworthy court and found guilty beyond all shadow of doubt.
Like the Pope, the bishops do not rule out capital punishment altogether, but they say that it is not justifiable as practiced in the United States today.
I hope you’re happy sinner vic but you still really don’t exist and the first thing people will think after reading this is that “I’M” just as crazy as me, myself and i was yesterday so give “IT” UP before “IT” is too late if ya know what “I” mean? 🙂
Peace
salvage: as I suspected, to my first query I got no reply, while you quote several documents on the second that I, and probably most other Catholics, are familiar with, but none of which supports your contention that abortion and death penalty are opposed for “the exact same reasons”. If you can’t see the difference, you need to make an effort to understand the issue in more detail.
Incidentally, what makes you think that people who comment here like the death penalty? I for one am strongly opposed to it.
The church does not oppose the death penalty as it proposes less lethal means to keep society safe from people GUILTY of horrendous crimes.
The Church opposes abortion because it is the slaughter of the innocent. The unborn human fetus has committed no crime, is not responsible for its existence, and yet must suffer annihilation because in the course of the natural development of all human beings, he develops in the mother`s womb.
Unlike the convicted death row inmate the unborn child can make no appeal.
How are those two reasons even remotely similar.
The church does not oppose the death penalty as it proposes …
should read:
The church does not oppose the death penalty so much as it proposes …
>How are those two reasons even remotely similar.
They’re not because they’re what one would call “straw-man” arguments.
See, the actual reason the Vatican is opposed to the death penalty is two fold, first they are in fact pro-life. They recognize human life as precious and rare and that it should preserved above all, even the life found in the most vile of people.
The second is they have a superstition about their god not liking people who judge and that vengeance is its exclusive domain.
I myself am against the death penalty for none of those reasons, I’m against it because it’s expensive, if you make a mistake you can’t make good on it and that rotting in cell 23 hours a day is far worse than death. It’s a stupid thing that only stupid places do, like Iran, Iraq and other third world crap holes. Japan being a notable exception but then again they always are.
Doesn’t Texas have the death penalty???
Texas is a mess that is true.
I loved their governor getting everyone in the state to beg his god to make it rain, delightfully primitive.
Back to the original discussion, Georgetown should not have invited this supposedly Catholic politician who is a supporter of killing babies in the womb.
@ Salvage, Just curious, but did it rain??
Sadly, no:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/07/15/270485/minnesota-temperatures-extreme-bachmann-and-pawlenty/
In fact it got worse after the rain dan… I mean praying, so I guess that Rick Perry’s god has a pretty sick sense of humour.
Or perhaps the quota of prayers required wasn’t met.
Or begging gods to affect the weather is a pointless superstition because there are no such things.
Which do you think is most likely?
What do you think “prayer” is, salvage?