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I am shocked at this picture! Doesn’t this women “priest” know that glass chalices are not allowed. Surely she has read Redemptionis Sacramentum. After all women priests are just like male priests and they only differ with the Church on the issue of women’s ordination and just want to be obedient to Jesus and his Church.
It always seems to me that the real reason these women don’t become Episcopalians instead is that they would get no attention if they did so. This way they can be “brave” in opposing that male dominant church they so hate and want to be part of. That when it comes down to it, it is not only one issue they disagree on — but a whole agenda comes along with it. Show me a women “priest” who defends the Church’s sexual teachings and has an orthodox theological view and I will show you that the bearded Spock must live in that same universe. These women would be a much closer fit with Episcopalians since their theology and antics would fit right in
As I have quipped before, where are the women who feel a call to the priesthood that want to celebrate the Extraordinary form of the Mass. Where are the traddy women priests and why is it predominately women with butch haircuts that feel this call?
From the article the picture was taken from:
Q: Is there a biblical basis for ordaining women?
A: In 1976, a report of the Pontifical Biblical Commission looked at Scripture and found no justification in the New Testament for excluding women from the priesthood.
I guess I am shocked again by this lie. I have a copy of this report and it says not such thing.
“It does not seem that the New Testament by itself alone will permit us to settle in a clear way and once and for all the problem of the possible accession of women to the presbyterate,”
This statement from the commission is nowhere close to how it is often portrayed by the women’s ordination movement. The reason I have the commissions report is because I had seen this claim before. The report goes on to say:
The masculine character of the hierarchical order which has structured the church since its beginning thus seems attested to by scripture in an undeniable way. Must we conclude that this rule must be valid forever in the church?
…In fact there is no proof that these ministries were entrusted to women at the time of the New Testament.
And of course this preistette does not mention that the Pontifical Biblical Commission did not found any evidence for ordaining women in the Bible either. It is Jesus’ example that shows this to be his will and of course the constant teaching of the Church from the beginning on this. The only women priests in the early church were heretical groups like Collyridianism. And of course as then-Cardinal Ratzinger replied in his Responsum ad Dubium “This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.”
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Is that a stuffed animal on the altar? My priest must be doing it all wrong…
There’s no indication that a priesthood in the Old Testament admitted women either, although there were priestesses of various stripes among the pagan nations.
These dames can’t become Episcopalian priestettes because the EC, at least around here, has a shrinking base of parishes and plenty of spare clergy, and therefore is *selective* about whom they accept for the ministry. Tough luck, gals.
Does the 1976 report of the Pont. Biblical Commission exist in toto on the internet, or is it only available in hardcopy?
Where would women priests, other dissidents be w/o orthodoxy and authority? Many make their very identity dependent on the opportunity of antagonism. I agree that they enjoy the ‘distinction’. BTW, that’s not a stuffed animal in the front L corner of the altar is it? Unreal.
One cannot read the linked article or study the photograph closely and walk away believing that these women differ with the Catholic church only on the subject of women’s ordination.
I believe that I dealt with this very issue two years ago, and your response was most apposite, but it appears to have been deleted!!
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“This way they can be ‘brave’ in opposing that male dominant church they so hate and want to be part of. ”
Ha! That is hysterical! Yes. It seems these defiant, deluded, dames have ignored the fact that there are plenty of other churches to obtain their “priestly” vocation. The Methodists, Episcopalians, and Unitarians are just a few. It’s a toss-up with the non-denoms but it exists, especially in the inner-city.
Not only does a woman priesthood NOT appear in the N.T., (tough to find the agreement with the “one wife” bit in Titus 1:6, but I suspect they’re working on the same-sex marriage angle, too…) but within the O.T., you have the Levitical priesthood, which most certainly was male.
On top of all of their whining and complaining, I would love to ask them: How does your choice to continue to defy the Church reflect positively upon your spiritual commitment to Christ and your agreement to “die” to your own will?
Yes, I’m sure you’ll get back to me.
Um, that’s a GIRL?????
“Butch haircuts.” HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! So true! 🙂
Wow, what a bunch of nasty people. Sleep well.
Though I do not agree with the ordination of women as priests I have to agree with Pat here on the tone of some of the comments….Come on folks, these people need our prayers more than our jeers no matter how enjoyable the latter might be or how deserving the targets…I understand the disapproval and the amusement but we could be more constructive perhaps? Love to you all and God speed…
Pat, nasty? And yet you had no trouble popping in for a “hit and run” nasty comment of your own. Anonymously, yet. Nice.
As for praying for these deluded women, of course. Don’t assume they’ve not been prayed over, asking God to guide them into the truth. But as for the “jeering,” do we not have the right to despise evil? Yes, evil. Call it what it is. When a woman defies what Jesus Christ Himself has ordained, believing it is wrong and placing her own desires above His – then not only does that deserve condemnation, but it insists upon it.
Jesus designed a first tier 0f 12, and a second group 0f 72, all male, to the priest mission, DESPITE that since Aaron and his wife, the Jews HAD priestesses.
Now, was that reordering a result of the macho culture then? Of course not, but because the deep love of Jesus for women, in a gentleman’s act, avoided them those INITIAL hardships. Can you imagine a priest preaching the Gospel to barbarians and carrying around a set of wife and kids?
The question now, is if women are impaired to carry their cross as we all are. NOT, and there are multiple examples of women saints, not only nuns. The point here is that the reordering came from Jesus Himself.
Cordially
Guillermo, there are no priestesses in the legitimate priesthood of Israel. Aaron’s *sister* Miriam is a prophetess, not a priestess. There are also prophetesses in the New Testament, and the Catholic Church does not restrict women from exercising a prophetic ministry. E.g. St. Catherine of Sienna.
I think you raised a good point, Jeff. Why are the women “priests” not clamoring to celebrate the Extraordinary Form? Why are religious orders like the Nashville Dominicans and Carmelites of the Sacred Heart in Alhambra overflowing with young, excited sisters who have no desire to become priests? Inquiring minds want to know. 🙂
I am glad I am not the only one that saw the stuffed animal.
Seriously? Why is that there… if I were trying to REVOLUTIONIZE the way my faith did something, I would require ruthless efficiency. This shows it is a gimmick and a power grab.
I believe, based purely on my own biases, that these women favor “butch” haircuts because they are all of a certain age … that certain age when one’s hair begins to thin and turn gray. Sensuous hairstyles usually don’t work with that type of hair, so many women head for the short cuts and/or massive dye jobs. The apparent “presider” in the photo has both. The two on the left have retained their gray (good on them) and the one on the right is the youngest gal I’ve seen involved in such an event. So that’s my working theory of the butch factor.
I too, like Elise, saw that picture and thought, ‘That’s a woman?’, but that’s because she looks a lot like a guy I hung out with in college – same short red hair, same facial features – and, well, the vestments cover up the more obvious feminine features.
As to the ‘butch’ haircuts, perhaps these women, seeing as they are attempting to ‘infiltrate’ a traditionally male position, feel that a short haircut might ‘masculinize’ them and, therefore, make them more acceptable to the laity.
Or, I’m just full of hot air.
So that’s what King Harley Race has been up to since retiring from professional wrestling!
Wow, what a bunch of nasty people. Sleep well.
I do sleep well know that these women who make a mockery of my faith are not tolerated by the sensible among my fellow Catholics. What these women do — in pretending to play priest — invalidates the sacraments and makes a mockery of God. It is worthy of ridicule because it’s ridiculous, childish, and completely pointless.
Mary Rose – comment #13. Amen, well said!
Every time I read about such dissent I pray in earnest that the Lord may have mercy on the women involved in attempted ordinations and faux eucharists. Not only are they putting their own souls at risk, but everyone involved is at risk because of their actions.
“Non papa, sed mama!” (reportedly quipped none-to-few Italians when the fictitious Pope Joan gave birth, thereby surprising all for her Yentl-like rise through the ranks of clergy! see Christian Lore and Legend, entry on Pope Joan.
Yikes! This is soooo disgusting!
Regards older women with short hair-I keep my hair cut short because it’s naturally curly and it frizzes in the hot weather. I’m also going gray, so I color it-don’t like gray. And I don’t support female ordination! So please don’t paint ALL short-haired females with the same brush!
Especially not a short-bristled brush! LOL
Well I thought it was a man at the altar until you cleared that up for me.
the woman in the article makes a few good points. plus, i’ve attended services in an episcopal church where a female priest presided. worked fine for me. i don’t care what kind of plumbing the priest has. i’m an educated person and have enough sense to question this tradition and ask myself if it is consonant with Christ’s important messages. The gender of his priests? important? maybe not so much.
Perhaps you should use some of that edumocation to delve deeper into Christ’s important messages.
@ c matt: like “love thy neighbor”?
Fr. Don Malin-oh, that’s a good one! [ouch! My maternal grandmother used something like that on her children to discipline them!]
Thanks, Pat, for your educated remarks. It’s a wonder how the Church managed to stumble along for two thousand years without collapsing. Thank goodness for the modern era where the pews are filled with the educated who, by sheer power of intellect, will save Holy Mother Church from Herself.
The tone seems rather nasty to me as well – sorry.
I would prefer a clearer articulation of why we do not ordain women. I doubt it has anything to do with: their haircut or color, their potential for orthodoxy, their taste in vestments…nor do I feel that poking fun at others is quite how St. Paul envisioned one might go about correcting the erring.
Charity in all things.
Data: Women in the Anglican communion, matched for age cohort, are more orthodox than the men.
The prescript of charity includes charity to those who observe the heretic at work, as well as the heretic. In the case of manifest heresy, the rules towards the heretic are different than towards the members of the faithful and those who have never had the faith. In other words, according to St. Francis de Sales (Introduction to the Devout Life), charity towards the faithful impells one to use what one can to discredit the heretic; including ridicule and humor.