I have been slow to getting around to responding to Kathleen Kennedy Townsend Newsweek piece calling Obama more Catholic than the Pope. It is so laughably bad that I first felt responding to it was overkill since it is such a target rich environment for stupidity.
But there they part ways. Politics requires the ability to listen to different points of view, to step into others’ shoes. Obama might call it empathy. While the pope preaches love, listening to the other has been a particular stumbling block for the Catholic hierarchy (as it is for many in power). The hierarchy ignores women’s equality and gays’ cry for justice because to heed them would require that it admit error and acknowledge that the self-satisfied edifice constructed around sex and gender has been grievously wrong. Before he became John Paul II, Karol Wojtyla had a telling all-or-nothing formulation: “If it should be decided that contraception is not an evil in itself then we should have to concede frankly that the Holy Spirit is on the side of the Protestant Churches.”
It is rather evident that Kathleen Kennedy Townsend has not read any of the Pope’s books and knows next to nothing about him. One of the Pope’s hallmarks is that he is a deep listener and fully engages people. As a theologian and scripture scholar he spends much time in reading those who he has a lot to disagree with. Yet as in his book “Jesus of Nazareth” he takes what is good from their writings into his own thought. He has the all to rare talent to not read into others, but to actually read others. His significant time as prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith had very little time spent to addressing dissenting theologians and even in those cases the conversations with them went on for years resulting in only a couple disciplinary actions. This is a man who will actually listens to different points of view and will take the truth from wherever it is found. But of course since he is not accepting of evils the culture promotes than he is not listening according to them.
I can’t say I am all to impressed with President Obama’s ability as a listener. He makes noises about respecting your opinion while not changing his in any way. With the majority of American being pro-life, how much listening has he done in that direction? As for him admitting error, when faced with the proof of his vote for infanticide that the text of the bill was identical to the one unanimously passed – he said that the NRLC was lying.
Actually that supplied quote is reported to be from a minority report written by two men which included Karol Wojtyla and defended the Church’s truth on contraception. I can’t find any actual copies of the text for the minority report for the Humanae Vitae commission and the text is only cited by dubious sources as far as I could see. Of course it also does not mean what she thinks it means if accurate. The minority report as reported was guided by then-Cardinal Wojtyla thoughts and was totally in support of this truth of the Church. When it comes to the truth it is often an all or nothing prospect. Either the Church teaches the truth and is guided by the Holy Spirit or she is not. If the Church can teach that a good intended by God is a grave sin then she is not the Church of Christ – thus no reason to be Catholic in the first place.
That attitude has resulted in some heinous decisions. Most famously, in the lead up to the encyclical “Humanae Vitae” in 1968, an advisory body of theologians and laity empaneled by the pope advised that the church should reverse its position on birth control and concede that the issue should be a question for morality and for science. But authority–not truth, not love–prevailed: Pope Paul VI, listening to the advice of Wojtyla, disagreed with the majority of these advisers, who had voted 69 to 10 for change, fretting that to change this position would weaken his authority.
The purpose of the commission was not to determine if teaching on contraception was true. This teaching was already infallible by the ordinary magisterium. The purpose was to determine if the pill was morally different from other methods of contraception. While it appears the majority of the people involved in this thought that it was not, that actual report has never been released – only some appendices leaked to the press. Theology is not a democratic action. When Jesus asked the Apostles who people said he was, all but Peter got the answer wrong. Plus Peter had help from the Holy Spirit in this case. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend calls the support of Church teaching a heinous decision. Hey remember all the promises by supporters of the pill – none that have come true. We have an abortafacient chemical that has resulted in evils upon evils in its destruction of society. The left likes to speak of being prophetic, yet ignore true prophecy contained in Humanae Vitae.
In the same vein, American bishops in the 1970s struggled to produce a paper that would address the concerns of women. After nine years of effort, they gave up. Why? According to Bishop P. Francis Murphy, bishops see themselves as “teachers, not learners: truth can not emerge through consultation.” Pope Benedict, having lived in the safety and security of the Vatican for much of his professional life, is part of this culture that silences dissent. (His last job was as the enforcer of doctrine.)
Pretty funny for a Kennedy talking about somebody living in “safety and security”. As if she has ever lived apart from the echo chamber of Kennedy liberalism. Cardinal Ratzinger was really good on “silencing dissent” that is why we never hear any dissent – oh wait.
In 1979, Sister Theresa Kane, the head of the Sisters of Mercy and the president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, greeted Pope John Paul II on his first visit to the United States by proposing that the Church provide “for the possibility of women as persons being included in all ministries of our Church,” including the priesthood. This was greeted with revulsion at the Vatican, which insists that the only people who can represent God in the priestly role are those with male sex organs.
Yes the same leadership conference currently undergoing a visitation by the Vatican because of their doctrinal and obedience problems. The last line is so stupid and offensive in that it takes in no account why the Church reserves the priesthood for men. I wish supporters of women’s ordination would spend at least half their time trying to understand this truth instead of whining about it. They never address any real theology or the fact that this is simply the will of Christ and the Church can’t change it. But yeah make some snarky remarks about “male sex organs” instead will do.
Yet polls bear out that American Catholics do not want to be told by the Vatican how to think. Despite the rhetoric of love and truth, the Vatican shows disdain (if not disgust) toward gays. But 54 percent of American Catholics find gay relationships to be morally acceptable, according to a 2009 Gallup poll. Meanwhile, against all scientific evidence and protestations from clergy on the ground, the pope claims that condoms aggravate the spread of AIDS. Seventy-nine percent of American Catholics disagree, according to a 2007 poll by Catholics for Choice.
No we want to be told by Kennedy’s how to think. It is rather obvious that she has not read one Church document that addresses those who suffer with same-sex attraction. The document written by then-Cardinal Ratzinger shows not disdain or disgust in any way. But she must set up her strawmen, in fact she seems to be grasping at strawmen. When you have to resort to a group that advocates murder of the innocent, you pretty much give up the right to say that the Church is not listening to the Holy Spirit.
Notre Dame awarded the president an honorary degree because it saw the need to highlight the best of Catholic teaching as applied to politics: the ability to open the eyes of those who would prefer to keep them closed, and to open the hearts of those who would prefer not to know the pain that their actions cause. The pope has a lot to learn about Catholic politics in America. Barack Obama can teach him.
It is the supporters of abortion who need to heed “open the hearts of those who would prefer not to know the pain that their actions cause.” The President can certainly teach the President about many Catholics in America. The President does represent many American Catholics, though this is not to his good. Too many Catholics do not know their faith and they betray it for some pottage of promises. The title of the Newsweek piece is “Why Barack Obama represents American Catholics better than the pope does.” Again the President does represent those Catholics who see themselves as American’s first or that “American Catholic” is some flavor of the Catholic Church. Americanism is not a knew thing as Pope Leo XII well knew.
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Terrific post. I have a strong hunch the final paragraph is yours, however, not KKT’s; better get it out of the box!
Excellent, right on the button.
As for the Newsweek article,”Without a Doubt” – it’s fully rubbish. like a badly-written satire.
Actually, Barack Obama probably does represent American Catholics better than the Pope does. Representing us isn’t the Holy Father’s job. He’s the Vicar of Christ; his teaching authority, properly exercised, comes not from us but from God.
Peace,
–Peter
The Holy Father is definitely Catholic. Not as Catholic as St. Pius X for example but still Catholic.
They never address any real theology or the fact that this is simply the will of Christ and the Church can change it.
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I got the message, it was just a funny place to use the wrong word.
Well, after I had refused to waste my time reading her drivel, you made me read some excerpts. It is much worse than I had assumed it would be.
KKT was a terrible Lt. Gov. for the State of Maryland. She is probably also still smarting from the backlash she received when she spoke at StoneRidge (the “independent” Catholic school), as well as, being told that pro-abort politicians were not welcome at Catholic Schools.
She is a typical Kennedy — wiling to say she is Catholic, but not letting the teachings stand in her way of doing whatever she wants — and destroying the Church at the same time.
The Holy Father is definitely Catholic. Not as Catholic as St. Pius X for example but still Catholic.
Your own prejudices notwithstanding, Pope Benedict is EXACTLY as Catholic as Pope St. Pius X. Continuity and all that, right? Holy Spirit? Heard of it?
Since when has the “Vatican told us what to think”? Does being a Catholic somehow take away one’s free will? Catholics are just as free as the next person to accept idiotic thought and rhetoric as truth, as the Kennedy family has long borne out.
Another drooling Obamazombie.
It is especially telling that she sets authority up in opposition to truth and love. Liberals typically see authority is disconnected from those things… but they also don’t want to abolish authority, either. Just replace it.
If KKT is correct about a majority of Americans who call themselves catholics, I fear that few of them will be saved.
They seem to place priority on the hedonistic, material world over their true home. The misguided (poorly cathechized?) KKT poll responders seem to be secular progressive/humanists. It seems for them, “Man is the measure of all things and our job is to make life worth living.” Orwell, “Reflections on Gandhi.”
KKT’s opinions (Plato: “Opinion is not truth.”) on Catholicism are about as valid as Goebbels’ opinions on Judaism.
Apologies to Goebbels. He didn’t pretend he was Jewish.
KKT calls herself a Catholic. She may call a vulture a bald eagle. It’s still a vulture.
KKT and the rest of the so-called catholics that actively supported this dishonest (check his campaign promises and what he has done) unknown entity are in the tank for the magic man their true religion is hard left-liberalism.
I won’t even go into the Kennedy curse and Joe’s deal with the devil.
Your link at the end is to the Apostolic Letter “Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae”. In the 1950s anti-Catholic bigots such as Paul Blanshard misquoted part of it out of context to support their claim that Catholicism was incompatible with Americanism as Americans use the word. In a paragraph near the end of the letter the Pope distinguishes between that kind of Americanism, which he says is not objectionable, and the form of the modernist heresy that some Fremch modernists called “Americanism”. They did so because they were distorting the ideas of Fr. Issac Hecker, the founder of the Paulists, on how to convert Americans to the Church.
Here is the relevant paragraph:
“From the foregoing it is manifest, beloved son, that we are not able to give approval to those views which, in their collective sense, are called by some “Americanism.” But if by this name are to be understood certain endowments of mind which belong to the American people, just as other characteristics belong to various other nations, and if, moreover, by it is designated your political condition and the laws and customs by which you are governed, there is no reason to take exception to the name. But if this is to be so understood that the doctrines which have been adverted to above are not only indicated, but exalted, there can be no manner of doubt that our venerable brethren, the bishops of America, would be the first to repudiate and condemn it as being most injurious to themselves and to their country. For it would give rise to the suspicion that there are among you some who conceive and would have the Church in America to be different from what it is in the rest of the world.”
I think that Professor Kreeft is dead on when he says that as Catholics, there is no reason for us to listen to people like Ms. Kennedy Townsend until such people become saints.
I think we should be wary of any theological opinion that comes from the Hyannis Port School of Theology. I don’t think it’s accredited.
Obama hates Catholics and Catholicism. I don’t know why. Maybe he confuses the Catholic Church with the United States of America. I arrive at this conclusion after seeing him in action long enough. He seeks only to distract and use some of out community’s lower hanging fruit. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend would fall into this category, intellectually if not financially. To be at all Catholic, one would have to acknowledge a deity other than one’s self. That disqualifies Obama. His socialist health plan would cover abortions, after he pledged to reduce the number of abortions. If I wanted to reduce something, I might consider not subsidizing it. Maybe that’s just me. If Satan is the Father of Lies, surely Obama must be the dorky step-brother of lies.
Jeff: you write that “the President does represent those Catholics who see themselves as Americans first…”
I don’t think Obama represents people who see themselves as Americans first, Catholic or not. Obama represents those who prefer not to be mistaken for Americans. In any event, six months from now, with unemployment at 14%, few will admit to having voted for this clueless neo-comm. He’ll still have the endorsement of Hamas, CPUSA, and MSNBC, however.
“neo-comm”
I love it.
A Kennedy lectures the Pope (or anyone) on matters related to morality. Does anyone else see a certain irony in that? For what are Kennedys known? I can think of a few things. They would include: infidelity, alcoholism, killing a girl, cheating on a college exam, more infidelity, failing to oppose Hitler, bootlegging, leaving Cubans to die on a beach for want of air support, stealing a presidential election, supporting affirmative action so long as THEIR kids got into Harvard, pushing environmental restrictions on others while opposing windmills which might spoil their view of Nantucket Sound, hiding one of their own away in a mental institution to avoid embarrassment, and even subjecting the poor girl to a frontal lobotomy, the alleged rape at Au Bar, etc. Basically, if a murderer is ever described as drunk and not wearing pants, every Kennedy would automatically be a person of interest. Perhaps KKT should just be Kathleen Townsend, but then she would lose her platform.
Phila. Lawyer: add the two boy geniuses, JFK and RFK gave Buddhist generals the green light to murder Catholic Diem brothers, replacing civilian gov with military junta and the Vietnam ‘situation’ began its slow death roll.
I blame Sarah Palin.
Hey, Philly lawyer: 14% unemployment??? I wish I lived where you live! Here in the Mighty Mitten of Michigan, we are at 15.4%….our governor is a friend of Obama.
Elise: I’m sure people in central/rural PA are really hurting too. Even in good times, there is little work there and many young people move to the Phila. area. However, here there is now no room at the inn. No one is hiring and most people fear the possibility of a lay-off. We just have the advantage of having a highly diversified economy. All of the large manufacturers moved or closed decades ago. Up in Trenton there is a bridge which still bears the words “Tenton Makes, the World Takes.” Unfortunately, nothing but crack and crooked legislation has been made in Trenton in a very long time. It would be reassuring if only we had someone in charge who believed in economic growth. But that would mean that someone at the top made more money than those at the bottom, and that wouldn’t be fair. I’m thrilled if my employer makes lots of money off of me. That way, he both stays in business and keeps me on. But then, I had enough sense to abandon a belief in socialism while still in college. Unfortunately, some people surround themselves with those of like mind and, consequently, fail to develop intellectually.
Elise: I will pray for you and yours’ in the Mighty Mitten. Could you do me a favor? Please root for the Temple Owls (football) whenever they play Eastern, Central, or Western Michigan. 😉
Philly Lawyer:
You got it! I actually went to Western for my MA but never developed any allegiance to their football team, so the Owls will get my prayers!!
Yes, I was livid after reading this article. It is thoroughly jaded, incoherent, and riddled with double-standards. Perhaps most disturbing was the author’s alarming misunderstanding of the definition and proper execution of “love.” She repeatedly accuses the Church of acting out of motives other than authentic love when the action does not correspond to her personal beliefs on individual moral license. I can only conclude that she does not understand what genuine love is but, rather, relegates it to mere “kindness” and emotional satiation.
So…..if the Pope’s not a Catholic. Better look out for those bears emigrating from from the woods to answer their calls of nature.
Jeff writes: RE: Male sex organs, etc: “They never address any real theology…”
It isn’t about theology at all. It is entirely about ideology, which is their true religion. Critics of the Church on this matter are driven by what I find to be a simplistic paradigm. Their only explanation for the lack of female priests for 2000 years is the (alleged) subjugation of women. (Maybe women were also kept out of the most common occupations of the past two millenia, those being poor farmer and plague victim. Yeah, the men wanted to keep that for themselves!).
I am not willing to accept that they are correct on this matter considering that they also still believe that men and women are identical, but for how boys and girls are socialized.
That is the crux of the matter. Men and women are the same, so women MUST do everything that men do. This thinking has encouraged the hook-up culture on college campi, so it is discredited in my opinion.
Since I am not an American, I may be entitled to just this one question: Who is this Kathleen Kennedy Townsend person (KKT)?
And since I am not much in favour of politically-correct media, you’ll pardon me for stating that I, scrolling down the page on the screen, erronously ascribed the title “Blowing Hot Air” to the piece perpetrated by KKT. It looks better that way, if you were to ask me.
Hermann
Hermann: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is the niece of the late President John Kennedy. For that she enjoys prominence and privilege which she has not earned. From what I’ve seen of her, she is intellectually lazy. That is a hallmark of the extended Kennedy family. Every one of them is well left-of-center, politically. They all seem to agree on everything. You can’t get five of my relatives together without having six opinions on anything. But we are not wealthy and sheltered from reality as are the Kennedys. She hates the Church, as does, I imagine, everyone with whom she comes into contact. Her grandfather was the U.S. ambassador to Britain on the eve of World War II. He argued that the U.S. should not oppose Adolph Hitler.
Philadelphia Lawyer: Thank you for the information and the background you thoughtfully provided.