A reader has started a new blog dedicated to noisy churches.
This site is for you, if the noise before your Liturgy / Service prevents you and others from saying your prayers. If the same is true about the noise and chattering during the service – you’re just as welcome.
We shall be awarding icons of 1, 2, or 3 stars to Churches / Congregations who satisfy us as being worthy of note and more importantly – improvement.
Please DO email us with a description of a Church you know or attend. Be SPECIFIC regarding the noise problem and if possible, provide us with a link to it’s website or email (photos would be good too!)
This is NOT about ridicule. It’s about making our churches into Sacred Spaces to be with / before the Lord and hear what he has to say to us.
That said, we won’t be too serious either.
Now when it comes to noisy parishes we can just grin and bear it, but I think we can spend some time grinning about the subject also. Instead of just griping we can also laugh on the subject also. But it is a subject many can commiserate on. My own parish does not have this problem, but when I attend Mass at other parishes I have definitely heard the phenomenon while attempting to pray prior to or after Mass. Even Jesus would leave to go to a quiet place to pray. He didn’t just head to the gates in Jerusalem or other noisy places to pray.
Some parishes sound like a movie theater prior to a movie. Sometimes you can almost imagine a parish having to play one of those "Silence is Golden" clips that often get played just before a movie starts. Reminders to turn off their cell phone and to not add their own sound track to the movie. From my own limited experience I have noticed the amount of noise to be a reciprocal of the reverence of the Mass. The more reverent the Masses said the least likely people are talking before it. The more the Mass is intended as what seems to be just entertainment the more it is treated as such.
In fact I can think of a career opportunity in this field.
A consulting firm that goes around measuring the noise in Church could be a grand idea. A db (Devotional Boundary) meter would be required. The higher the reading the less chance of devotion will occur. The measurement is logarithmic for example just a 3 Devotional Boundary increase would be the equivalent from just three people talking around you to fifty people talking around you. Another 3 db increase and more-than-likely only people who are deaf can pray.
Though maybe just taking readings and later publishing them will not be that effective. Putting signs around entrances to the church would probably be as effective as posted speed signs.
Though possibly we could set up something like those radar speeds signs posted on trailers showing your current speed could be effective. These usually do make people more aware and to slow down wherever these trailers are found.
Something like this.
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At our parish, the noise level depends on which Mass you go to. Since I’m a cantor, I’ve gotten to all of them at one time or another. Saturday evening Mass is noisy beforehand as is 11:30 am on Sunday, 7:30 am on Sunday you can hear a pin drop, 9:30 am is a little louder. But the noisiest ones are the weekday Masses! The ones I most want to have quiet devotion before, because I’m coming to them with no children to accompany me and no job to do.
This is not the responsibility of anyone but the priest. Shame on any “Catholic” who behaves in such a blind, empty, selfish, uncharitable and sinful way. They obviously have no clue about what is about to take place on the Altar and Who it is that waits in the Tabernacle. How awful to receive God Almighty with such hearts.
God help them and those who led them to such lunacy.
I am an inveterate “church shopper”, getting regularly to a fair number of parishes. I have not noticed high levels of “noise”, but have observed and suffered through many conversations quite near to me that have prevented my concentration.
But the biggest intrusions come from those musical groups who insist upon using the time before Mass as their rehearsal time. No matter how wonderful the music and it often is, it prevents those of us who arrive early for prayer from doing that.
Francis Cardinal Arinze wrote a letter to an UK group in London last Winter chastising musical groups who follow such practices.
I’ve seen school cafeteria’s with “traffic lights” in them, which sit on green unless it get loud, at which time it changes to yellow, and red if it gets really loud. Oh yeah…when it hits red, it emits an ear-splitting beeping until it quiets down.
Little kids–gotta love em.
But not when they kick their hard shoes on the pews!
And not when their parents bounce them up and down to stop them crying! (For some reason there were a lot of bouncers today.) AaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA
Other than that, I just love to see them, even if they’re a little noisy. And when you get a bunch of them together, like at a school Mass, they make this kind of constant undulating motion. Gotta love em!
We had to sit in the back of the church this morning because we were running late. I suddenly realized why we sit in the SECOND pew ordinarily. The noise level back there was terrible and very distracting. Yes, DURING Mass as well. People coming in late milling about, kids trying to be cute, parents not taking the initiative to discipline or control the not so cute kids. blah blah blah.
Am I just being too picky? Or too bitchy? Or too something when it comes to this topic?
LOL yeah Kathy, a lot of bouncers this morning in my church as well, and the babies had their rattlers out making it more noisy.
OK, I’ll shut up now about the whole thing.
My family went to a nephew’s First Communion this spring, and it was the worst Mass I’ve been to in a long time. Not only was the chatter before Mass loud and obnoxious, but the constant talking, laughing and noise occurred throughout Holy Mass, including the time the children were receiving their first Eucharist. I just cried. The disrepect was incredible.
My brother in law said that the noise level at Easter was even worse. (and when his family comes to our parish for baptisms or other Sacraments, they raise the noise level. When I protest, they don’t give it any notice, because that level of noise is ‘normal’ at their parish.)
And the priest says absolutely nothing.
We have a new priest, and he chats with folks before Mass, and his voice is very loud. He stopped at our pew to tell my kids the story of St James, and I smiled, but didn’t speak to him, except to say in a whisper, “Fr, this is the only day of the week I get any real silence to spend with the Lord, OK?” He looked thoughtful, and was quieter as he moved out of the church.
🙂
(Sorry–I was smiling at c.a.)
There’s a pattern that is emerging and it seems to be getting worse. People’s lives are becoming more hectic and noisy and time is rushing by faster than ever before. But many churches are not offering much quiet sanctuary from the onslaught of the modern rat race that people have to face during the week. Instead, masses are becoming nothing more than just another chatty social event to attend each Sunday. The noisy world outside is increasingly encroaching and our parish churches are caving in, along with the seemingly nonchalant attitudes of the priests overseeing them. Many of them don’t seem to see anything wrong with this worsening fact, even while they are presiding over mass. I think many priests prefer it this way; either they’ve lost or they never held the belief that the service should be a quiet and reverential time, focused solely on worshipping the Lord and not on each other. This is just another adverse example of the state of the 21st century Church.
At the Shrine in Washington, D.C., right before the 7:30 a.m. Mass, the nun in charge of setting up the altar brings all the items out on a cart. She makes sure it clatters as loudly as possible, through part of the nave and into the apse, thus making it impossible to pray or even hear oneself think.
While I loathe disrespectful adults, I have no problem with the noise of children. In my experience, the more faithful the congregation, the more children there are, and there is bound to be some “background noise”. I do not believe children should be taken out of Mass unless they are misbehaving or hysterical, and that people need to be more tolerant of baby noises and preschool whispers.
Gee whiz, Janice, those sisters set up/ take down four Masses in a row, 7, 7:30, 8, 8:30. Chalices, books–all of it done quite properly. All for the convenience of people like you and me.
The best Mass I have attended at our parish was when the minstrals failed to show up. It was quiet, contemplative, and utterly beautiful. I believe this is because the Mass was simple and my mind was allowed to commune in earnest.
This is coming from a ten year professional musician: excellent minstrals know when enough is enough. And I want to be charitable here… but they also know when their instruments are in tune and how to play appropriately and when to be quiet.
So, while the hearts of the wonderful folks who volunteer to play are in the right place, listening to amateurs can be very, very painful and distracting.
I know I sound mean-spirited, and I really don’t mean to be. But my philosophy on music is this: it should lend itself to the moment and never, ever, detract from it.
The most disagreeable thing I’ve heard at Church is ‘Jingle Bells’ or somthing similar played in the middle of a vital part of the service, at a time that is not Christmas time.
Chatter in church before, after (I used to love to play the brief postlude as loudly as possible to help cull out the talkers), and of course especially during Holy Mass is one of my pet peeves. Here it used to be a sign of overcrowding or lack of faith formation in immigrant parishes, but now it seems that people in wealthy parishes are just there to hang out. At the 4:00 (!!) Sunday vigil Mass at my territorial parish, old ladies come one hour early just to socialize in a loud voice. This is during confessions in a building with exemplary acoustics.
I remember that one of my Disciples of Christ co-workers around 1992 remarked that she really respected the silence of Catholic churches and that she wished that her church were the same.
In a Roman basilica in 1983, the priest came out before Mass to tell people that they were in the house of God and their chatter was inappropriate. I certainly wish more priests would take the time to do that.
But the best line that I have ever heard of was passed on to me by the son of an Episcopalian who uttered it in the 1970’s or 80’s; I only wish that I had the courage to use it myself. He turned to some chatterers and said, “Would you please pray more quietly?”
I have issues with both the noise and what people wear to church. I live right across the street from a church, but I most often go out of my way to other more proper churches.
People at my church view it as just another social event on their busy calendars. They have no respect for God. They show up in tank tops, shorts and flip flops. At a youth service they had rock and roll. One of the readers was wearing transparent white capri pants with black thong underwear and a spaghetti strap tank top. When she bowed before the tabernacle she mooned the whole congregation. Her mother sat there positively beatific!
At my very first Christmas vigil mass at that church the choir held a farting contest. DURING SERVICES!
end rant…
Kevin, I really hope you’re not referring to the ringing of bells during the Consecration. That’s traditional and I thank God that it’s still done in our vicariate. My mother taught us small, squirmy children that we must kneel straight and be perfectly attentive during that time because the bells “let us know Jesus is here.”
As for me, I can handle all the squirmy kids and bawling babies (and even that redheaded boy who likes to hum songs looooong after we’re done singing). Just don’t subject me to adults acting like kids in a movie theatre.
I know that some bishops, such as the late Ken Untener of Saginaw, ENCOURAGED priest to let people to chat before Mass. I remember when I showed up at my hometown parish and couldn’t believe the racket! My parents had to explain (ironically after Mass) that the bishop thought it would build community. All it did was drag gossiping and flippant remarks into church.
At my parish, people usually hush because before Mass is when a Knight leads the rosary. Occasionally we get visitors who are from parishes where that directive went out. I had the misfortune last year of sitting a few pews in front of a pair of 50-year-old women who were AWFUL. (They used a few phrases I never want to hear in a church, and the MILDEST was “gold-digging whore”.) I actually turned around one Sunday and asked the “ladies” behind me, “Are you actually gossipping in church?” One said, “Yes. Why? Do you know anything juicy?”
I spent the rest of the Mass asking God to forgive me for wanting to cause them bodily harm.
Wow. All of these stories of extreme irreverence is freaking me out… :O
More than once I’ve shamelessly “shushed” adults who were chattering in church during the mass. During Holy Thursday, I’ve shamelessly shushed a teenager and his siblings who were chatting and laughing in the presence of their approving mother.
We had a priest for a short time who came down from New York. At one Mass I heard he stopped in the middle of his homily to get the attention of the parents of a child who was distracting him. Apparently the child was up and down and in and out of the aisle. Like I said, he stopped in the middle of his homily and called the parents out and told them it was very distracting. I wasn’t there for that particular Mass so I don’t know if it really happened or not. But dang, if it did happen I say goody for him.
I was an usher–that’s another story–and the previous Mass had been out some 30 minutes, but several groups of adults continued to chatter loudly as the next Mass, in Spanish, was beginning. It was a nice day outside, so I asked if they could continue there. One of the loudest answered, “No, it’s just the Mexican Mass.”
How can children learn rudimentary reverence if their parents carry on conversations with friends throughout the liturgy and permit the little ones to talk as they please and as loudly, play with toys in the aisles, and the teenagers to play with their Nintendos, etc.
More than once I have gone home after Mass with a roaring headache, and little recall of the Mass or homily.
Now we have a new pastor. He bounds out of the sacristy before Mass in casual layman’s clothing, chatting with people all around the church, leading cheers, and generally showing little respect for the Body of Christ reserved in the tabernacle, not to mention to those members of the congregation who just might be trying to pray.
Stop the loud tape recording of bells, chimes and organ music from Divine Savior Church in Los Angeles, CA at 610 Cypress Ave, LA, CA, 90065.
Why does the priest want to annoy its neighbors with a tape recording from blasting 4 bullhorns all day, 7 days a with a tape recording. It starts at 7:55 am.
Noise is quite minimal at Tridentine Masses.
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